Future leader of Apa Mhigo

[Fenral]

Much as I want Garlemald to end up as FFXIV's answer to Archades, if I never see another Pinewood Chop in my life it will be too soon.

[Theodric]

Well, I think the biggest issue is that the developers are going to struggle to show Garlemald as an actual threat. Technically Garlemald should be able to throw it's full might behind a campaign to take over and occupy Eorzea..but with a lot of losses on both sides. For obvious reasons that isn't going to happen - so there needs to be a plausible reason for them to hold back. Thus having a conflict of interests within Garlemald itself would work brilliantly. In the same vein we don't really need a situation where every prominent Garlean that seeks to be reasonable throws away all their loyalty and love for their homeland away in a drive to help Eorzea because that is rather boring.


I favour the approach of there being a bunch of influential Garleans who are fiercely loyal to their homeland and seek to protect it at all costs and they would prefer not to waste resources or spread their forces thin by attempting to aggressively expand. I feel like something like that would be the best compromise. If Varys gets the FF6 treatment in Azyz Lla and ends up dead then there's another opportunity to build up someone new to lead Garlemald into a brighter, more reasonable age. Given that Varys has had very little in the way of focus so far, however, I feel like he is going to be a sacrificial lamb to move the plot forward. Unless he surprises us by being in it for the long term.

As an aside, does anyone else believe that 3.3 might end on a cliffhanger that somehow involves Garlemald?

[Frederick22]

Either way. Varis will die, one way or another. Ok, yes he can end of on jail forever.
But not that he will be "our friend" or "partners with same goals".

I can think that you all can agreed with that?

It cant end the dictatorship of the empire, withouth taking of its leaders. That may be by force.

A dictatorship is a dictatorship, there has being no case where the solution turn up to by violence. Unless that the goverment colapsses from within.
But given what I see so far, its unlikely something like that will happen.

[Morningstar1337]

I think part of the reason is becuase there might actually be MORE Garleans working aganst their conquest than we realize, but they are not in a postion where being well known or reaching out to their targets would be viable without a trip to Room 101 resulting from that, so they operate in complete enough secrecy to hinder and misdirect Garlemald's movements, ranging from double agents leading them to waste time occuping nations that aren't actualy threat to more active "filibusters" and cockblocking of legilature to legalize anything more than what we had sen so far...

Or it could be just because they are too busy working on their methods of tempering to make sure its foolproof and/or trying to keep their own people under control to focus on their crusade

[Rocl]

As an aside to an aside, where did we get information Zephirin was chivalrous? It isn't from the Dengeki/Lore Lowdown which features the same internal lore documents transcribed, because I can't think of Zephirin painted this way at all with this, so I feel like I've missed something.
http://gamerescape.com/2016/04/08/th...-lore-lowdown/

[Hinoto-no-Ryuji]

As an aside to an aside, where did we get information Zephirin was chivalrous? It isn't from the Dengeki/Lore Lowdown which features the same internal lore documents transcribed, because I can't think of Zephirin painted this way at all with this, so I feel like I've missed something.
http://gamerescape.com/2016/04/08/th...-lore-lowdown/

Yeah, reading that again, it's definitely Haumeric who's the chivalrous one with contempt for his more brutish brothers.

[Morningstar1337]

Yeah, reading that again, it's definitely Haumeric who's the chivalrous one with contempt for his more brutish brothers.

An I just asked the Live letter team about adding more quests to counteract that...

Oh well, Story is my favorite part anyway. :P

[Frederick22]

Guys is clear that he was just following orthers from the archobiship, I mean common.
Its old story.

[Theodric]

Yeah, reading that again, it's definitely Haumeric who's the chivalrous one with contempt for his more brutish brothers.

To be fair his full title is 'Ser Zephirin the Just'. He is also referred to as a man of 'integrity' which is very much an alternate word used to describe someone who is chivalrous. Plus I believe the lore surrounding elezen specifically outlines that the men in particular are prone to being 'chivalrous' in nature. Obviously exceptions exist but Zephirin doesn't seem to be one of them. He killed Haurchefant, yes, but then that was arguably done out of concern for the well being of his comrades...and he wasn't specifically aiming to strike Haurchefant down anyway.

[Belhi]

Well, I think the biggest issue is that the developers are going to struggle to show Garlemald as an actual threat. Technically Garlemald should be able to throw it's full might behind a campaign to take over and occupy Eorzea..but with a lot of losses on both sides. For obvious reasons that isn't going to happen - so there needs to be a plausible reason for them to hold back. Thus having a conflict of interests within Garlemald itself would work brilliantly. In the same vein we don't really need a situation where every prominent Garlean that seeks to be reasonable throws away all their loyalty and love for their homeland away in a drive to help Eorzea because that is rather boring.

I favour the approach of there being a bunch of influential Garleans who are fiercely loyal to their homeland and seek to protect it at all costs and they would prefer not to waste resources or spread their forces thin by attempting to aggressively expand. I feel like something like that would be the best compromise. If Varys gets the FF6 treatment in Azyz Lla and ends up dead then there's another opportunity to build up someone new to lead Garlemald into a brighter, more reasonable age. Given that Varys has had very little in the way of focus so far, however, I feel like he is going to be a sacrificial lamb to move the plot forward. Unless he surprises us by being in it for the long term.

As an aside, does anyone else believe that 3.3 might end on a cliffhanger that somehow involves Garlemald?

I'd say it's almost certain that we will see Garlemald crash the party somehow at the end of 3.3. If not them then the Ascians. We have two more patches to go and we know the Heart of Sabik will make an appearance and that we will learn what Midgarsormr was guarding at Silvertear lake all this time. Something is going to have to happen that leads to that.

Honestly I cause part of me really expects 5.0 to lead us into Garlemald I expect something to come to the surface in 4.0 that leads to political turmoil in Garlemald in 5.0. Its in Ala Mhigo I think we will be get our introduction to characters and players in a future conflict there. I also think that being loyal to Garlemald doesn't automatically mean they are bad people either. Patriotism and loyalty doesn't mean blind commitment to the direction your country is going.

That said I don't expect Varis will end up in a protagonist role. I expect him either to remain a antagonist or at best be the trigger that sets of unrest in Garlemald. While Iceheart ended up as an ally, even when we first met her we got a sense she might not really be a true enemy. I never got anything like that from Varis.