Complexity/Sensory Overload

[MagiusNecros]

But would you expect the average player to use macros in order to access all of their skills properly? Should there be a need for the average player to delve into macro territory just to play the game normally?

I imagine the average player wouldn't care about skill bloat or the use of macros and just roll with the punches as they are thrown at them by the devs design decisions. Besides you have 8 separate bars to choose from and switch to on the fly meaning you don't necessarily need macros.

All I'm saying is the option is there and that before complaining and hoping for no more abilities that every player should at the very least explore all options available to them.

[WinterLuna]

All I'm saying is the option is there and that before complaining and hoping for no more abilities that every player should at the very least explore all options available to them.

I understand where you're coming from but using PS4/controller and switching through any more than a few bars is incredibly annoying. It makes it impossible to play fluently sometimes and even hinders players if they don't place their skills in the correct place (I've misclicked bars before and pressed the wrong buttons causing myself or others to die, simply by accidentally being on my DPS bar instead of heals).

Macros are great but as I said previously, they don't always work. This isn't just me either, I've had other controller players tell me they had to spam buttons to make them work and this isn't ideal.

I don't want SE to dumb everything down completely, I just wish they would consider the difficulty of playing some classes and the skills they give.

[MagiusNecros]

I understand where you're coming from but using PS4/controller and switching through any more than a few bars is incredibly annoying. It makes it impossible to play fluently sometimes and even hinders players if they don't place their skills in the correct place (I've misclicked bars before and pressed the wrong buttons causing myself or others to die, simply by accidentally being on my DPS bar instead of heals).

Personally I just stick with the Bar 1 and Bar 8 wher I can just use L trig to R trig and vice versa to just access Bar 8 on the fly.

[Felis]

I understand where you're coming from but using PS4/controller and switching through any more than a few bars is incredibly annoying.

I also play on PS4

1. Setup the bars into combat bars (only switch between specific bars if in fight stance) and idle bars (only switch between specific bars if weapon is put away). For most classes 2 bars as combat bars are enough (32 slots)
2. Setup a 3rd bar you switch to with L1+R1 and R1+L1 if needed
3. No GCD damage skill on the d-pad buttons
4. don't put UI keybinds into a slot. Use a keyboard for them

[Sicno]

Besides you have 8 separate bars to choose from and switch to on the fly meaning you don't necessarily need macros.

Switching between hotbars constantly to access all your skills may (I repeat, MAY, not saying this will happen to everybody or all the time) make you either mess up ocassionally and do the skill from the wrong hotbar or do them more slowly because you're double checking. Besides, skill bloat may be different from job to job, some may not need that many binds, but think for instance of a tank job like WAR where besides using your attacking skills and CDs you also need to pop your defensive CDs on reaction and it has to be reliable (if you think of popping a CD then that exact CD has to pop, not some other CD or skill) and fast.

All I'm saying is the option is there and that before complaining and hoping for no more abilities that every player should at the very least explore all options available to them.

Yeah, because everybody should need to script macros in order to make up for the inconveniences in control design for regular play before voicing your opinion. Sounds like a lot of fun for everybody!

[MagiusNecros]

You do have 8 bars you can set right? Too bad about the macros.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

All they need to get rid of is Repelling shot on bard. It'sa uuseless ability.

[WinterLuna]

All they need to get rid of is Repelling shot on bard. It'sa uuseless ability.

It deals extra damage and enables you to avoid an AoE instantly.. wouldn't say it was useless.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

It deals extra damage and enables you to avoid an AoE instantly.. wouldn't say it was useless.

Faster and more reliable to Dodge AoEs by running normally.

[WinterLuna]

Faster and more reliable to Dodge AoEs by running normally.

Not if the AoE can be anticipated, and still, extra damage. The fact it does damage alone makes it useful.