A certain upcoming colab event..

[Morningstar1337]

Okay so we know that there's gonna eb a Yo-Kai Watch event coming, (something I'm excited about for some reason) and from a Doylist perspective we know how the event happens (Yoshi and Level-5 CEO being the cause)...its the Watsonian perspective that has me curious. I'm wondering how the event would happen in-universe.

[Anonymoose]

As far as my headcanon is concerned? I like to think that, just like there is a confirmed "Simpsons Bubble" for time, there's also a "Hildibrand Bubble" for canon. When a Hildibrand Bubble is created, it creates a nascent space that is within, but without, Eorzea. What happened in Eorzea happened in the bubble. However, what then happens in the bubble doesn't necessarily happen in Eorzea.

For example, Ul'dah unleashed the Traders' Spurn on Sil'dih and claimed it was their doing all along. That historical fact was brought into the bubble. Surviving an explosive to the face that then results in you falling into the ground from so high that you penetrate the soil and are buried up to your waist? Does that leave the bubble? Probably not.

Another example, prayer + crystals = primals. This was brought into the bubble. Gilgamesh wished for his friend back next to a box of crystals and summoned Enkidu. Did Urianger freak out about primal waveforms the next time you showed up? No. Was Enkidu any less a primal because he didn't follow the out-of-bubble laws within the bubble? Not at all. (He really does technically count as a primal within that bubble; it's confirmed.)

Hell, most of the holidays happen in Hildibrand Bubbles; think about how many kabuto enthusiasts you've met "this year". The lore team does the best they can to blur the edges of the bubble. You might not even notice the bubble is there. But sometimes, that membrane really, really matters, lol.

I'm just going to assume in advance that there is now a Yo-Kai-themed Hildibrand Bubble.

[Fenral]

Personally, I'm more disappointed that they didn't manage a collab while Inazuma Eleven or Danbooru Senki were still relevant (as in, the ones I've actually played). The former actually managed inter-dimensional travel to crossover with the latter, so it would be a simple question of whether they thought the bus or the train would work better... </giantfanboy>

Yo-kai Watch, from what I know of it, hasn't made it past the time-travel stage yet, but I guess being a mons series has the advantage of not needing to adapt any art styles.

Either way, I doubt Keita *ahem* Nate will be appearing in person, but there's already confirmation of the Yo-kai Watch itself. I'm guessing it'll be something along the lines of "generic NPC relases a youkai--*ahem* yo-kai and is granted the titular watch, while the WoL gets one at the end of the quest chain for reasons."

Unfortunately, the Doman Braves don't exist until level 50, or I'd say a crossover with pretty much any modern Level-5 property would fit right into their usual antics.

[Morningstar1337]

Unfortunately, the Doman Braves don't exist until level 50, or I'd say a crossover with pretty much any modern Level-5 property would fit right into their usual antics.

Didn;t' stop a certain Tailfeather NPC from ending his subplot at the easter event. Just sayin'

[Belhi]

Anonymoose, are you saying you doubt the Divine nature of Godbert Manderville and his Manderville bloodline in the game's official canon?

I'm disappointed in you.

[Kotemon]

I'm just going to assume in advance that there is now a Yo-Kai-themed Hildibrand Bubble.

Anonymoose, are you saying you doubt the Divine nature of Godbert Manderville and his Manderville bloodline in the game's official canon?

I'm disappointed in you.

Yeah. Otherwise Gold Saucer wouldn't exist in Erozia cannon either.

It's well known that the crazy events around the Manderville's are just to damn far fetched to be believed, let alone swallowed in one gulp. Kind of like that guy who ends up going through the most insane chain of events to save all of humanity. Only in the end nobody will ever know about it and no one will ever believe the story about it. That NPC in the current side story felt like he stepped out of reality into something else. He's just there to witness things that do happen but nobody will ever believe it could happen. Since he's unaccustomed to it, its like insanity seeing your reality is nothing but the surface of something far more complex. Thus the Warrior of Light is "Meh.. Just another day of Hildy's tomfoolery".

With Greg, the whole thing with Enkidu (in the greater Erozea) was wrapped up quickly so there was no need to raise the alarm in the end. Also the warrior of light was there so no one will ever look at the report again if it was made. Godbert seems to be a mainstay of the Christmas event like some of the stories seem based on his anonymous charity work. The pumkin head NPC in Halloween seems to be real. Like everything else nobody is aware of the imps or that NPC or the event being part of something more complex. You are there because some how you're dragged into it like everything else.

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Wondering how the event would happen in-universe.

Probably like the Shantoto or Dragon Quest events. Someone needs our help to catch a bunch of roaming ghosts accidentally summoned. We then need to Fate farm tokens to get the event items like the Lightning Returns event. All while wearing that bracelet that looks like a Yokai watch.

[Theodric]

To be honest I'm hoping the developers just make this 'crossover' events into something fun but not necessarily canon. When FFIX launched there was an advertising campaign based around Coca Cola to spread the word. That doesn't mean FFIX was in any way linked to Coca Cola (and the game wouldn't be nearly as awesome as it is if something like that suddenly cropped up halfway through playing the game).

I think I'm concerned because 'Hildibrand' type quests are no longer contained to a specific set of quests. The over the top facial expressions and 'humour' is leaking elsewhere and that's precisely the sort of problem that made me grow weary of WoW - because despite all the decent lore it ended up being overshadowed by cheap gimmicks and silly quests. I'm worried FFXIV will go down the same route.

[Belhi]

To be honest I'm hoping the developers just make this 'crossover' events into something fun but not necessarily canon. When FFIX launched there was an advertising campaign based around Coca Cola to spread the word. That doesn't mean FFIX was in any way linked to Coca Cola (and the game wouldn't be nearly as awesome as it is if something like that suddenly cropped up halfway through playing the game).

I think I'm concerned because 'Hildibrand' type quests are no longer contained to a specific set of quests. The over the top facial expressions and 'humour' is leaking elsewhere and that's precisely the sort of problem that made me grow weary of WoW - because despite all the decent lore it ended up being overshadowed by cheap gimmicks and silly quests. I'm worried FFXIV will go down the same route.

I think their stance is that players can hold the canon status of the Hildibrand quests to their own preference. While there is lore in the quests that makes it into the main game it doesn't neccesarily mean the silliness is canon. Again, personal preference. For example Briardien's appearance outside the Hildibrand quests still has him have his characteristic body language but he isn't there in a comical role and the questline itself is quite serious as a drama.

As for the facial expresions, I suspect your refering to things like the expression on the priest at the end of the 3.1 MSQ. I think they wanted to display madness. It was a man who just couldn't cope with the core of his beliefs being riped out. Perhaps it didn't translate well but they were trying to use body language in a cutscene and honestly madness born out of desperation isn't easy to convey.

I would argue that WoW's biggest problem was it story completely lost a sense of cohesion. Stuff didn't make sense and often seemed either to contradict established facts or were done without taking into account other aspects of the story that made characters who were supposed to come across as wise or brave as foolish, bigoted or violent.

I don't think FF14 is going to go down that root. The MSQ has never really veered into the silly (except with moogles) during HW and generally SE has been pretty good at keeping its silly from it's serious. That said it is a FF and all FF games have had both silly and serious parts to them. Its a credit generally to FF games that they do it without diminishing the drama and depth of the story.

[Anonymoose]

Anonymoose, are you saying you doubt the Divine nature of Godbert Manderville and his Manderville bloodline in the game's official canon?

Funny enough, I was going to call it the Manderville Bubble until I thought better of it. Godbert just treads the line too well. He's officially a syndicate member, so we know he exists. And yet the Gold Saucer is never spoken of outside of the Saucer itself, story arcs related to it, or holiday events. It's like the Fight Club of Eorzea. Assuming Hildibrand Bubbles exist outside of my own way of making sense of the world, the edges of Godbert's are a little too clean to run a highlighter over.

As a crack-pot add-on to my headcanon, I like to assume that Godbert is actually a hoax perpetrated by Rowena because she's had that syndicate seat for years. It explains everything that his mastery of goldsmithing cannot (albeit with a tongue in cheek, at times), especially why he joined Lolorito in turning the Domans away when he's the type of person who becomes the Saint of Nymeia on holidays: Rowena wanted them at the Toll, where they could do more good than putting Ul'dah under further stress. The only problem there is that there are further jokes that Rowena (technically being an Ul'dahn at various points in her life) might claim Teledji's seat...

[finiteHP]

Didn;t' stop a certain Tailfeather NPC from ending his subplot at the easter event. Just sayin'

He only shows up if you have completed his quests, so SE will still have to base the event around something other than the Doman Braves.