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    Elk Macha
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    Question, why does Bard and Machinist share the same core mechanic?

    I just find it weird that a new job is released and gets a mechanic, that is also given to another ranged physical dps class they both get the skill at the same level.
    So the question is, why give Bard wanderer's minuet? You could've kept that mechanic exclusive to Machinist, but you decided to give it to Bard as well. Does anybody know if there is logic behind this? I feel like both lose their uniqueness due to their similarities in skills and how they are played.
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    I find they play completely differently regardless of Minuet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WinterLuna View Post
    I find they play completely differently regardless of Minuet.
    "core mechanic"
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    Reimi Namikaze
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    Archer Lv 80
    No one knows why SE decided to approach both job this way but many have wondered and guess and by far some have guessed that its so that neither job gets "alienated" or so that one is not "more preferred" than the other. As of right now both job interchangeable in a raid setting as they both offer almost the same thing but varies depending on your groups composition and preferences
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elky View Post
    "core mechanic"
    I know what core mechanic means, I'm just not sure why you have a problem with it. You said "they lose their uniqueness due to their similarities in how they are played" but I find they play differently, cast bar or not.
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    Ozzie Nyandias
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    Probably for the same reason melee classes all have combos, tanks all have tank and damage stances, etc...
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    Eva Gamirdren
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    Archer Lv 100
    I really feel like SE didn't care about Bard this expansion. Little things like WM being almost the same as GB and arguably being a DPS loss when first implemented and WP being almost unusable due to it's long cast time made me think they just slapped it together at the last minute.

    It feels a lot better now than it did at the beginning of the expansion but part of me still thinks they designed the mechanic for MCH then pasted it onto BRD so people wouldn't choose BRD over MCH just to avoid cast times.
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    Calypso Celeste
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    Lamia
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    I feel like it was a bad move, but I will say the gameplay is noticeably different between bard and machinist. I dislike machinist very much but it was obviously designed with gauss barrel in mind (regardless of my feelings on the mechanic) whereas wanderers minuet doesn't feel like it really belongs on bard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alysanne View Post
    Its pretty much like if they'd given warriors sword oath at 52 instead of their own unique stance. The classes would play different but its still bullshit laziness.

    Hey everyone else gets their own stance but not bards and mechs, you guys gotta share.
    I just pictured using sword oath on my warrior and fighting with an axe in my hands and a sword in my teeth. Thank you for that
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    because they are too lazy to think of other ways to balance the jobs.
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