Question, why does Bard and Machinist share the same core mechanic?

[Elky]

I just find it weird that a new job is released and gets a mechanic, that is also given to another ranged physical dps class they both get the skill at the same level.
So the question is, why give Bard wanderer's minuet? You could've kept that mechanic exclusive to Machinist, but you decided to give it to Bard as well. Does anybody know if there is logic behind this? I feel like both lose their uniqueness due to their similarities in skills and how they are played.

[WinterLuna]

I find they play completely differently regardless of Minuet.

[Elky]

I find they play completely differently regardless of Minuet.

"core mechanic"

[WinterLuna]

"core mechanic"

I know what core mechanic means, I'm just not sure why you have a problem with it. You said "they lose their uniqueness due to their similarities in how they are played" but I find they play differently, cast bar or not.

[ExiaQuanta]

No one knows why SE decided to approach both job this way but many have wondered and guess and by far some have guessed that its so that neither job gets "alienated" or so that one is not "more preferred" than the other. As of right now both job interchangeable in a raid setting as they both offer almost the same thing but varies depending on your groups composition and preferences

[Velthice]

Probably for the same reason melee classes all have combos, tanks all have tank and damage stances, etc...

[Moomba33]

I really feel like SE didn't care about Bard this expansion. Little things like WM being almost the same as GB and arguably being a DPS loss when first implemented and WP being almost unusable due to it's long cast time made me think they just slapped it together at the last minute.

It feels a lot better now than it did at the beginning of the expansion but part of me still thinks they designed the mechanic for MCH then pasted it onto BRD so people wouldn't choose BRD over MCH just to avoid cast times.

[Ashkendor]

I really feel like SE didn't care about Bard this expansion. Little things like WM being almost the same as GB and arguably being a DPS loss when first implemented and WP being almost unusable due to it's long cast time made me think they just slapped it together at the last minute.

It feels a lot better now than it did at the beginning of the expansion but part of me still thinks they designed the mechanic for MCH then pasted it onto BRD so people wouldn't choose BRD over MCH just to avoid cast times.

You're acting like other classes haven't received significant adjustments though. BLMs Astral Fire and Thundercloud were adjusted, MNKs GL3 was adjusted, PLD received potency boosts and other changes, DRG received potency boosts, AST received massive adjustments to potencies and some of their core mechanics, SMN received a potency boost, TP costs were adjusted across several classes... you can't really say that since Wanderer's Minuet had to be adjusted that BRD is somehow the red-headed stepchild here because many jobs have needed tweaking. I mean, AST was considered basically unplayable in endgame upon release. PLD was considered all but unplayable until we started overgearing Gordias Savage because of the difference in DPS between a PLD and any other tank. Part of introducing new classes and new skills is balancing them through play, and the kind of numbers you need to do that can only be generated by many players over time. Game balance isn't something that just happens; it's an ongoing process.

I dunno, I don't find that WM feels "pasted on" but I'm not a bard main either so take that as you will. I think MCH is in a better place overall for various reasons, but BRD isn't bad off at all. Maybe there will be further adjustments? Who knows.

MNK does not use combos. One thing i dislike about NIN n DRG.

Uh... what? Monk uses pretty rigidly enforced combos. o.O

[Moomba33]

You're acting like other classes haven't received significant adjustments though. BLMs Astral Fire and Thundercloud were adjusted, MNKs GL3 was adjusted, PLD received potency boosts and other changes, DRG received potency boosts, AST received massive adjustments to potencies and some of their core mechanics, SMN received a potency boost, TP costs were adjusted across several classes... you can't really say that since Wanderer's Minuet had to be adjusted that BRD is somehow the red-headed stepchild here because many jobs have needed tweaking. I mean, AST was considered basically unplayable in endgame upon release. PLD was considered all but unplayable until we started overgearing Gordias Savage because of the difference in DPS between a PLD and any other tank. Part of introducing new classes and new skills is balancing them through play, and the kind of numbers you need to do that can only be generated by many players over time. Game balance isn't something that just happens; it's an ongoing process.

I dunno, I don't find that WM feels "pasted on" but I'm not a bard main either so take that as you will. I think MCH is in a better place overall for various reasons, but BRD isn't bad off at all. Maybe there will be further adjustments? Who knows.

Oh for sure, SE has had to adjust lots of jobs.
But WM in particular feels like a lazy paste job to me. Especially with how terrible the animations were when it was introduced, how it clashes with the Bloodletter proc system, and how badly it slowed down the job in general by causing double weaving to clip your next GCD.
As far as I'm concerned with Heavensward they didn't build on the Bard playstyle so much as they tried to make it like MCH.

[Miah_Dakwhil]

But WM in particular feels like a lazy paste job to me. Especially with how terrible the animations were when it was introduced, how it clashes with the Bloodletter proc system, and how badly it slowed down the job in general by causing double weaving to clip your next GCD.
As far as I'm concerned with Heavensward they didn't build on the Bard playstyle so much as they tried to make it like MCH.

I do feel like it was a paste job.. notice in the official benchmark trailer here at 7:02, you see the bard running behind the scholar and then letting off an Emphiral Arrow without the WM build-up. https://youtu.be/RGOIF_7vuLw?t=7m1s Somewhere along the dev process, and pretty late, they decided that for "balancing reasons" that bard needed to be a stick in the mud caster. I think it was as said earlier, that is was because they aren't able to think of good ways to deal with a mobile DPS, i.e. lazy way out.