What are your thoughts about the Letter from the Producer LIVE Part XXIX?

[Lambdafish]

I absolutely agree we should be able to save Estinien.

And make aphinaud happy? No! Matoya said the kid needs to learn sacrifice, and I agree, kid needs to learn

[RoseOfTheRaven]

And make aphinaud happy? No! Matoya said the kid needs to learn sacrifice, and I agree, kid needs to learn

Very true, but he did start to learn it with Minfillia and all. He definitely is way too much of a crybaby for my tastes. He needs to man-up a LOT before I will like him as a character.

[Lambdafish]

Very true, but he did start to learn it with Minfillia and all. He definitely is way too much of a crybaby for my tastes. He needs to man-up a LOT before I will like him as a character.

"you need to learn sacrifice" "yeah maybe, I will try to learn to grow as a person" "I won't let Estinian die, no matter the problems it causes us" *me and matoya simultaneously facepalm*

[Lunaxia]

"you need to learn sacrifice" "yeah maybe, I will try to learn to grow as a person" "I won't let Estinian die, no matter the problems it causes us" *me and matoya simultaneously facepalm*

I'm sorry, but how is vowing to save his friend from being killed/ controlled by Nidhogg after watching his comrades suffer and a dear friend die indicative of lack of growth as a person?

The point of that scene with Matoya and the one at the end of the MSQ isn't to highlight his immaturity, it's to show Alphinaud taking matters into his own hands and challenging the boring, parroted narrative of "sacrifice/ suffering is inevitable!!" by doing what he can to save Estinien no matter how impossible it may seem. He has no delusions about it being an easy task. What's childish about not giving up on a friend?

Also, Alphinaud is 16, and has already grown up a lot since we were introduced to him. He shows more self-awareness about relying on the WoL than the rest of the adult cast put together.

[Lambdafish]

I'm sorry, but how is vowing to save his friend from being killed/ controlled by Nidhogg after watching his comrades suffer and a dear friend die indicative of lack of growth as a person?

It was half a joke, and half a worry that Aphinaud would choose to forsake Ishgard in order to save Estinian, and that the devs would allow Aphinaud to be in the right. Matoya reminds him of the facts, we are at war, and war has casualties, I don't have a problem with him trying to save a friend, it's about him ignoring Matoya's direction about the nature of war, and his denial about the eventuality that Estinian will have to be struck down.

Also, I don't mind that he is 16 and making mistakes, it's how soon after Matoya says her bit that he turns around and acts like the conversation never happened that makes him come across as whiny and arrogant.

(also I agree that Aphinaud has come a long way in his growth, and I actually have started to like him as a character, that could be why this scene bugs me so much)

[Belhi]

It was half a joke, and half a worry that Aphinaud would choose to forsake Ishgard in order to save Estinian, and that the devs would allow Aphinaud to be in the right. Matoyareminds him of the facts, we are at war, and war has casualties, I don't have a problem with him trying to save a friend, it's about him ignoring Matoya's direction about the nature of war, and his denial about the eventuality that Estinian will have to be struck down.

Also, I don't mind that he is 16 and making mistakes, it's how soon after Matoya says her bit that he turns around and acts like the conversation never happened that makes him come across as whiny and arrogant.

(also I agree that Aphinaud has come a long way in his growth, and I actually have started to like him as a character, that could be why this scene bugs me so much)

That isn't what really he went with. In the past Aphinaud has been very naïve. That's not the case here. He knows there is a good chance that Estinien can't be saved or even trying may be a long shot. However that doesn't mean they the attempt shouldn't be made. As he said, he doesn't want to be someone who casually sacrifices people for a war. If there is a chance then he wants to go for it, even if it will fail. He actually doesn't say he is willing to sacrifice Ishgard to do it. Just that giving up on Estenien without even trying isn't something he is willing to accept.

Estenien may have to be struck down. That doesn't mean he will have to be struck down.