New Frontlines

[Februs]

I'm incline to think they should cut tomestones/Wolf Marks out of (ranked) Feast and have them solely for Frontlines. Anyone queuing for Feast is queuing for rating, the other rewards are nice, but they mean Frontlines is essentially worthless...

My only concern with this is that it would alienate Feast queues a little too much, because no one really queues just for their ranking. If we're being completely blunt, hardly a handful of people will make it out of the Bronze/silver rankings. This is not necessarily because they can't make it, but because not many of us have that kind of play time. Reaching the top tier of the rankings is a distant dream when you only get an hour or 2 a night. Most players don't want to acknowledge that, but it's a fact. So, if we remove currency rewards from Feast and slot them purely into Frontlines then we'd be basically removing all incentive for the majority to play Feast. Insert long queue times.

That said, I would be interested to see Tome bonuses removed for all ranked game modes (assuming that Frontlines gets a ranked mode at some point ...). Having tome bonuses is fine for a casual scene, but not a scene dedicated to people invested in winning. Instead, I would prefer if all ranked game modes only provided Wolf Marks, PvP rewards (gear, mounts, minions, etc) and that they expanded the vendor system to accommodate a greater interest.

[Februs]

Materia would be very nice, but completely irrelevant to PvP

You basically hit the nail on the head right here. The thing is, the selection supplied by Wolf Marks vendors doesn't have to be relevant to PvP. As long as it is encouraging people to queue for PvP to get more marks, it's already doing it's job. Getting people to queue for matches is what makes every item in the vendor selection relevant, and the best way to get it to do this is to broaden its selection to include a much wider market of interest.

Personally, what I would really, REALLY, like to see is a complete overhaul of the Wolf Marks vendors to include:

• Mounts:
  For multiple reasons. Mostly, I'd like to see new PvP mounts, but this could also be used to give people an alternative means of getting old mounts from outdated game modes (ie: the 3 GC specific horses ... assuming SE doesn't make the same GC restriction mistakes with Shatter that they did with all the other FL modes)
  
  
• Minions:
  Same concept as the Mounts. I'd like some new ones and an alternative method of getting old ones other than running the same dungeons 1 billion times and hoping for a drop.
  
  
• GC specific items from all 3 GC's:
  This would include every item that is provide in exchange for GC seals as well as the GC specific gear that is normally reserved for hunts marks. It would save people the trouble of having to swap GC's just to get an outfit they like.
  
  
• Materia:
  Because literally everyone can find a use for it, even non-crafters. We already get level IV materia for top end beast tribe quests and one level V materia a week for Void Arc. There's no reason we shouldn't get some for PvP.
  
  
• Crafting supplies:
  Besides the fact that these things are also used to craft the PvP gear sets, it would also be nice to give crafters an incentive to play an actual game mode rather than just spend their time grinding away for supplies. I don't craft, myself, but I know their are crafters out there who would love this alternative.
  
  
• Tomestone items:
  This would include almost all of the tomestone items provided at Rowena's house of splendors. Anything below the maximum leveled gear would be fair game. Relic items are a definite must have (especially at their ridiculous grind and cost). etc.

The list could go on and on, and with each item added, more people would have a reason to cap their Wolf Marks rather than just shrug it off. On top of Wolf Marks, what I would also like to see is a special token system implemented for items that are considered too special for simple purchase (such as level V materia, high capacity tomestones, top end Mounts, etc). I don't think it would be too much work for them to do, because they've already done it for practically every extreme Primal as well as various other weekly quests. Ideally, these tokens would work the same way (ie: the challenge log, a repeatable quest, or FL roulette once Shatter is implemented). After you attain a certain number of tokens, you can trade them in for the super special items, such as more exclusive mounts, level V materia, tomestone gear upgrades, etc.

If they had a vendor system like this, then people would have more than enough reason to keep queuing for PvP.

[Spawnie]

add class specific mounts for 200 frontlines victories?? lol 1 for every job would keep it active for a whiles id hope :P

[kisada]

i think that's a good idea, as well as more class specific titles like they way they are doing for feast.

[Spawnie]

i think that's a good idea, as well as more class specific titles like they way they are doing for feast.

not even for victories they could add it to wolf marks vender like they did for wyvern with seals... but make it so takes atleast a while to get each 1

[Morningstar1337]

• Mounts:
  For multiple reasons. Mostly, I'd like to see new PvP mounts, but this could also be used to give people an alternative means of getting old mounts from outdated game modes (ie: the 3 GC specific horses ... assuming SE doesn't make the same GC restriction mistakes with Shatter that they did with all the other FL modes)
• Minions:
  Same concept as the Mounts. I'd like some new ones and an alternative method of getting old ones other than running the same dungeons 1 billion times and hoping for a drop.

Good idea, it would be interesting but I think i'd prefer new minions more

• Materia:
  Because literally everyone can find a use for it, even non-crafters. We already get level IV materia for top end beast tribe quests and one level V materia a week for Void Arc. There's no reason we shouldn't get some for PvP.

Also a great idea, albeit one that already there.

• Crafting supplies:
  Besides the fact that these things are also used to craft the PvP gear sets, it would also be nice to give crafters an incentive to play an actual game mode rather than just spend their time grinding away for supplies. I don't craft, myself, but I know their are crafters out there who would love this alternative.

Now that I think about it, it would be an interesting appotunity to introduce the animal liege models to other classes as new gear, like the Swan Model for Casters, the Dragon Model for Dragoons, the Snake Model for Ninjas, etc

• Tomestone items:
  This would include almost all of the tomestone items provided at Rowena's house of splendors. Anything below the maximum leveled gear would be fair game. Relic items are a definite must have (especially at their ridiculous grind and cost). etc.

Isn't it a little redundant withthe GC system, since there is some Overlap :P

[Februs]

Isn't it a little redundant withthe GC system, since there is some Overlap :P

Not necessarily. There isn't a relic grind that exists in this game that wouldn't benefit from additional ways of doing it, and any of the items which overlap are outdated items anyway. In any case, I was referring more to the more current set of relic items in that post (unidentified shells, bones, ore and seeds as well as the aetheric oil for the current step). Those items would be far from redundant, because you don't actually get themfrom your GC. You get them from the hunt vendor using allied seals.

Regardless, the main reason for including these items (redundant or otherwise) is to keep people who like to PvP in PvP. Take the current relic weapon, for example. Right now, the only way to farm items for it is to farm tomes, do your daily beast tribe quests, and hunt for seals. At one point or another, in order to finish your relic you are forced to stop PvP'ing. If we're talking about keeping PvP queues alive, then this isn't a very good system to be working under. PvE'ers are rewarded just for queuing for content they enjoy. By comparison, PvP'ers risk falling behind. The current vendor system basically punishes us for queuing for the game mode we like to play. That's not right, and if SE is truly interested in keeping things alive then they should take another look at how evenly they distribute incentives across the different game modes.

[Knahli]

I'd be a bit surprised if Shatter didn't incorporated any of the elements we encountered during the Grand Melee.

[Morningstar1337]

Since I got the coat and title, I don't have to worry as much about the Obsolescence. So I have a few speculations for How Shatter will turn out

The back-story will of course be Omega and GC-Related. The objective is to break apart more crystals then your two opponents (hence the title, shattered crystals). PKs will be justified by stealing some of their crystals after they died.

The Location could be Seal Rock like with Seize, or it could be a different location (Hoping for Cassiopeia Hollow) But a location The Black Shroud would be another possibility (Carteneau=Thanalan=Ul'Dah. Seal Rock=La Noscea=Limsa Lominsa).

The gear that will be Introuced would continue on the Twelve theme of the last set.

[Vaeria]

...jesus christ. You people and your endless whinning and complaining about how every element of pvp is so horribly bad and unbalanced. Seems you need every incentive in the world just to get off your *** and go stab someone. Its pathetic. Disgustingly so.

Not gonna name any names (one of you in particular) but every other word is 'No..not gonna work, waste of time' blah blah blah. No matter WHAT the devs release, Americans in general (idgaf,) act like condescending retards who just CAN'T be satisfied. Ish like this was the reason Ballista failed misrably on NA servers but flourished on JP ones. God forbid it just be for love of the game and artform...no, I need 4 Sephiroth glams, a Bahamut mount, and an hourlong bj from Tifa just to step out on the field, let alone do anything.

Half of you are bi***ing out here with regards to feast simply because you can't cut it. OoOOh..its just toooo random for meh! I r overpowahed but liek keep getting neewbie pts and just like..ermagawd dooood!~ The word 'solo' que is the f**** clue in itself. R A N D O M E L E M E N T...which is also why the devs origionally probably didnt wanna include rewards for lite party feast. A way of saying, who genuinely has the skill, REGARDLESS of the makeup to pull off wins. Who can change up their strat best on the fly with the tools at hand, even if theyre not the best (yes, complete noobs even). That adds a realistic elemet to Feast, one thats been misrably lost on some of you here. Oh ho ho ho..s*** was cakewalk back in Seal when it was ok for a brainless idiot to stand by a node all day, contributing absolutely nothing to a team, then quietly collect his/her reward at match end. With feast? Now youve got a fire under your backside and a gun to your head to do your job...because its MUCH easier to see whose slacking, has no clue. Where you HAVE to use skill..and even THEN its not enough. And whats happened? Exactly the same thing as wehn Titan HM was first released. Everyone and their mama wants to throw in the towel and get a 'new' mode. And whatll happen when that comes out? 200 more complaints from the EXACT same people who couldnt cut it to save their little sister's life in the other 3-4.

The traditional -stfu and git gud- moto is wasted. Just show some F**** appreciation and be glad the devs are willing to make any more attempt at all in view of your overwhelming thanklessness.

...no offense of course. /smile