Improve the playerbase, add a built in DPS/HPS/AoE Fail meter

[Maero]

To those saying it is not needed.... That is not the real point though, personal parsers would only benefit the user as many players do not actually notice how they do, having numbers in front of them would open their eyes really.
Seeing hit numbers from attacks that players do on screen is not at all the "Big Picture".

[saberchic]

I wouldn't mind a personal parser to see how I'm doing. I'm always looking to improve my game, but there should absolutely not be a group parser. There are already toxic people in the DF; we don't need to give them more ammo for trolling.

[Destous]

This "fear of the parse troll" is purely conjecture. It's really a fear of something that will objectively tell you that you're not performing well enough for certain content.

That savage PuG has at least one player running a group parse.
That extreme PuG has at least one player running a group parse.

Every group doing endgame content is already using a meter. If you're subbing into their group, they can already see your DPS. The only people unaware of the damage numbers in that group are those who think a meter is pointless or unnecessary. Having a personal meter, or even a group meter, would not encourage "meter trolls". Anyone whose prerogative is to "meter troll" people is already using a meter.

Additionally, having access to your own numbers is an objective counter to anyone attempting to chastise you for your performance in a fight. All I'm sensing from those opposed to a built in meter is a fear of being measured; which is completely silly.

[Ciri_Wolf]

Parsers wouldn't only be abused by elitist players. Do you know how many bad tanks would blame you for low numbers because you were busy surviving because the tank doesn't know how to flash? Bad or good players will start fights if they can see actual proof regardless of situation. Void arc would be a nightmare.

Parsers are a terrible idea. I want this game to actually succeed, not die.

[Kaenbyou]

As someone who plays a lot of AST and other healers, I can assure you I'm always parsing my dungeons to know who will benefit more from cards or who is worthy of a rez if they do crap (especially for void ark).
And I can assure everyone here that everytime you'll go in a Ex farm group, Down group or other same-type content, there will be a parse running, and if you under-perform, you'll get the boot.
It's already something vastly implemented, an in-game would atleast put everyone on the same level.
For the personal parse, well, it's pointless. I can do 500 dps on my character on a trial, next week, I do 600 dps, yay I'm good, meanwhile other players do 1k and I'm unaware of that.
Those numbers only have value if they're put in comparison with each other.
And for people complaining that it would be an attack against casual players, I'll have to ask, why do casual players can get a free pass to underperform?
One player not doing its job means 7 other players having to compensate, and when you're trying a down for a primal/savage and keep hitting enrage or getting short to it because one player is doing half its job, then you can atleast show him the crude reality of the numbers.
And I can assure you from experience that a lot of players I know has been improving themselves once they started using a parse, because they saw that they had a lot of improvement available.
Someone that don't want to try doing the best it can for a group is just a leecher, and you don't need to play 24/7 to be good at your class and improve.

[Zojha]

It's already something vastly implemented, an in-game would atleast put everyone on the same level.

No it would not. Parsers are objectively a third party program forbidden by the terms of use, just like bots or any other program you can imagine. SE's own terms forbid parser usage. The only reason people have an advantage via third party programs (from parsers over boss mods to bots) is because SE is not enforcing their own rules. And as long as SE keeps doing that, some people will always have an advantage. Gradual implementation of every third party program out there into the base game does not solve the issue - and believe me, I'd love an inbuilt gathering/crafting bot because I really dislike that content. The only solution here is for SE to actually enforce their own rules. Which, I think, nobody currently violating them wants.

[Critical-Limit]

Without a group parser how does someone know how far from the ceiling their skill can take them? Like I could see a Mnk doing 1k does some changes starts doing 1.2k but stops improving not knowing they could get to 1,600 with their gear.

Not saying put an active group DPS.

Give everyone a essentially a in game Social security number.

You can go to a ranking board, of say sephirot extreme. Look up your job see where you stand in the world. Now imagine this MnK sees their 1.2k is enough to beat it and they weren't carried. But they see their like 99th place on the server for that fight, and sees a MNK did 1,650. They will KNOW they have plenty of more room for improvement without an active group parser.

[KogaDrake]

personal parser only, here is the issue. Player X is a NIN and he consistently does 800 DPS now, it is released, he makes some changes and now does 1000 DPS. He sees he improved and stays doing same number consistently and thinks he is fine. What he does not know is he should be doing 1400 or more. Without seeing the rest of your groups numbers too, or some comparison to others on the same job in the same instance (within a similar ilv too i guess) just seeing the numbers is not enough.

when raiding as a PS4 player, I absolutely hate it when the PC members of my static are not parsing and giving numbers out consistently because I can make every tweak and change in the world and gain 2-5% dps (or maybe even more) and not really be able to tell at all on any individual run. Add in that multiple people are making changes and your DPS may go up but someone else tried somethign that was not good and hurt their dps to a net wash, you both may stay with the new way or may both go back, or worst case I go back and they stay with the new way and your raid dps just went down. When your enraging at 10% on vortexer in a6s, unless you have numbers for each pull to see who is doing what and how player X's DPS changes as they try to make an adjustment to rotations around fights to know if it actually helped or not, you waste soo much time not knowing.

No matter how you look at it, these numbers are a vital part to doing any relevant end game content, and anyone who thinks they are not needed and can tell without them are lieing to themselves and are likely just afraid they may find out they have been wrong about there play all along.

[Blitzace]

Sure. When you do content to a time where everybody outgeared it like hell and people have to play really bad to run into the enrage, than you can see who is bad. Thats not hard.

You should do extreme and "end game" content when its relevant and just a little bit is missing. You will not see who is not pulling out enough DPS.

But as long you don't do that kind content during the time it is relevant, you can't understand how wrong you are.

You are beyond clueless. Think i've done more content when it was "relevant" than you ever will do.
If you need a parser so you can see who is screwing up i think you're missing a few things.

I've done plenty of content with DPS checks and i could always tell who was the weak link. With perfect numbers like parsers? No obviously not. But you're a FOOL if you think an ingame parser will do this game ANY good.
I've seen more players being rammed into the ground than i've seen good things from it.

Do i care if people parse? Nah. I'm never the one that is being shouted at, But i see how other people treat one and other when something goes wrong.
I'm sure you're looking for a way to do that without you know... publicly admitting you're parsing.

Numbers opening people eyes? Ha! What are you a comedian? Last time i gave a PLD advice how to tank something in a 50 dungeon that would make it easier for the entire group he said i should shut up as he knew his job perfectly enough without my smart ass comments.

Yes, those numbers are really gonna open people's eyes. Nah, just harassment and idiots screaming YOU'RE DPS IS TO LOW /votekick. And you damn well know thats how its gonna be.

[Ciri_Wolf]

These topics are never about getting in-game parsers. You can already very easily get them. This topic is about wanting them to be acceptable by SE so that people can use them to harass people not pulling their weight. I don't mind that so much as I mind dirty liars with that hidden agenda like OP, here.