Can we have 0/0/4 for Dungeons please? No? Then maybe harder dungeons please :(

[Sanghelios]

I would like to have 4 DPS for Dungeons now, because a normal group of 3-5 mobs need 5 minutes to bring down a Paladin in current "endgame" dungeons so we dont need Healer or Tanks now. Pharos Sirius (H) and Saint Mocainne were already very easy, but they had at least the option to full pull all mobs between bosses to a clusterfuck of mobs, wich was surely a challenge for Tanks and Healers.


But the current endgame dungeons are just a joke in regards of dealt mob damage. They were a joke when they came out already but week by week its getting more ridiculous, up the the point were you can kill second boss in Amdapor without a single heal and that not even in maxed out itemgear. Going in Amdapor or Anti Tower with no Tank is no problem at all, i am literally waiting for it to go in with no tank and no healer. Not sure what Square wants a healer to do in those dungeons, because there is barely any heal needed and when the average whm tries to dps its like 3243,Miss,3431,Miss,Miss,1938,Miss.

I do understand that content gets easier by time because of average player ilvl, but why not making endgame dungeons at least in the beginning challenging? They can get easy as fuck by the end of the patch circle but jesus at least make them "hard" in the beginning and screw all those walls you put in there.

I loved Pharos Sirius (hard) for that. It was pretty easy in the beginning aswell for sure, but the players had at least the option to pull as much mobs between bosses as they would like to, without hitting walls after each 3 mob group like now in Anti Tower. Healing a super pull with all Mobs between first and second boss in Pharos was surely a challenge and i liked this.

I dont really understand why Dungeons nowadays have to be so boring. They looking good for sure, but ridiculous easy and underrewarding aswell as no option for optional ways. And please dont come with that casual player stuff, even those did manage to get through Aurum Vale and Brayflox more than once.

[Ashelia_Ferron]

If you want 4 DPS in a dungeon, feel free to do so. Grab 3 friends and queue yourself as a pre-made.

[Kurogaea]

If you want 4 DPS in a dungeon, feel free to do so. Grab 3 friends and queue yourself as a pre-made.

Can't do it with the newer dungeons and it takes preperation to actually form premade parties when its simpler and easier to make a roullete that mixes player compositions automatically the way you'd like it. 4 players in 4 servers want a 4 man dps group? Done. Full tank group? May take a while but it'll happen. Can't see a healer groups but what the hey, someone wants it if they queue up for it. It'd also be nice for this mode personally players would be able to cross use 1 extra job stone so they can switch on the fly. That'd be impressive.

Too innovative, 6/10 -IGN

[Korbash]

I vote no. And what about the sick and disabled players who play the game and pay their sub? You might find those dungeons "easy", but when you're sick and disabled those dungeons are anythng but easy, they're super hard.

[WinterLuna]

I vote no. And what about the sick and disabled players who play the game and pay their sub? You might find those dungeons "easy", but when you're sick and disabled those dungeons are anythng but easy, they're super hard.

Can you please stop using this when you don't agree with threads? If you personally don't find things easy because of this then that's fine, but stop generalising sick and disabled people into finding the game hard. Just because people are sick doesn't mean they automatically don't enjoy challenging aspects of the game.

[Warlyx]

Can you please stop using this when you don't agree with threads? If you personally don't find things easy because of this then that's fine, but stop generalising sick and disabled people into finding the game hard. Just because people are sick doesn't mean they automatically don't enjoy challenging aspects of the game.

this ^

using disabled ppl as weapon ...makes this ppl no favor,...if SE or any dev had to create games based on disabled ppl (and im sure FFXIV is a example of game that thinks on disable, even deaf players ) then no game will be ever be challenging...i cant talk for them , but im sure they can enjoy some "super hard" challenges too, hell some ppl like to be challenged to the extreme and there are games that cater to them , Dark souls series is a example of that...

[WinterLuna]

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Yeah, it just annoys me. Being sick or disabled doesn't determine how someone wants to play a game. I raided FcoB with a drip attached to me. Sorry to derail from the thread, I just thought something needed to be said as he's used this excuse twice now on two separate threads.

[Korbash]

Can you please stop using this when you don't agree with threads? If you personally don't find things easy because of this then that's fine, but stop generalising sick and disabled people into finding the game hard. Just because people are sick doesn't mean they automatically don't enjoy challenging aspects of the game.

If I wanted to play something challenging, I'd play games like Dark Soul, or a hardcore MMO, there are a few out there, but I play MMOs to have fun, FF XIV is targeted for casual players, do quests, explore areas. I've been playing games since 5-6 with the Atari console, then Nintendo, now I play MMOs.

And I'm talking about physical limitations, and my condition is getting worse, and the constant pain that prevent me from doing the hard contents of Heavensward, I'm not being lazy, it's very very difficult to do it for me. Why should I let the few hardcore players ruin the MMO that I'm playing?

[WinterLuna]

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I'm sorry but nobody is ruining anything for you because the majority of suggestions you've been posting this excuse on have been completely optional and you wouldn't even have to touch them. Does Savage ruin the game for you? No. So I still stand with what I'm saying, being sick or disabled has absolutely nothing to do with any of this and you shouldn't be using it as an argument.

[FoxyAreku]

If I wanted to play something challenging, I'd play games like Dark Soul, or a hardcore MMO, there are a few out there, but I play MMOs to have fun, FF XIV is targeted for casual players, do quests, explore areas. I've been playing games since 5-6 with the Atari console, then Nintendo, now I play MMOs.

And I'm talking about physical limitations, and my condition is getting worse, and the constant pain that prevent me from doing the hard contents of Heavensward, I'm not being lazy, it's very very difficult to do it for me. Why should I let the few hardcore players ruin the MMO that I'm playing?

Incorrect. It's a theme park, it has casual content AND it has hardcore content.

If you don't want to do the hard content, then don't.

Using the 'disabled people' argument is kinda pathetic. As sad as their situation is, Devs aren't going to cater to the 1% of the population that is disabled, and they shouldn't. Just stop.