Periodic job releases

[WeekendSoja]

I am always so bewildered at the thought process of people talking about the trinity balance...

This is something that adding more of a "needed" job won't help, you can't change people's preferences or even their personality at this point. If you like to lead you're a tank, if you enjoy responsibility of managing a team of people than you're most comfortable being a healer, and if you love slapping things and being (to varying degrees) competitive you're a DPS.

With that being said, an example would be SE releasing 10 tanks at once, one is named "Big "D" Mother F'er" hails from limsa, and has only one ability that compels him to shout profanities, lewd comments, and witty / sarcastic humor to hold Agro, all of which cost no resources...and still people would only gravitate to it if they actually like tanking...

[Nekodar]

With three tanks and three healers, I don't think there is more diversity needed among tanks and healers at all.
Also, I don't think they've actually confirmed three new jobs for the expansion. It would be nice of course, but chances are it stops at two jobs. If not only one, with one additional possible during the 4.x cycle.
Multiple jobs for a game where dps, tanks and healers are kept balanced is loads more work than for example FFXI which was extremely unbalanced between jobs.

The jobs they've hinted strongly at as coming is sam, rdm and blu, but there was also strong hints that it would be either rdm or blu, not both.

[Ashkendor]

With three tanks and three healers, I don't think there is more diversity needed among tanks and healers at all.

I don't see how you can make this argument when there's literally more than twice as many DPS classes as there are tanks or healers. I don't see how there's any more diversity needed; we already have caster, ranged physical, and 3 very different melee.

[Nekodar]

I don't see how you can make this argument when there's literally more than twice as many DPS classes as there are tanks or healers. I don't see how there's any more diversity needed; we already have caster, ranged physical, and 3 very different melee.

3 tanks, 3 healers, 3 melee, 2 ranged physical, 2 ranged magical...
Since it's unlikely we get three new jobs, where would you put in new jobs to increase diversity? The obvious places I feel would be ranged physical and ranged magical.
Adding two ranged jobs feels out of place though, so chances are we get one melee and one ranged (physical or magical) in this expansion. Maybe a tank or healer and additional ranged in the one after... etc.

[FallenWings]

3 tanks, 3 healers, 3 melee, 2 ranged physical, 2 ranged magical...
Since it's unlikely we get three new jobs, where would you put in new jobs to increase diversity? The obvious places I feel would be ranged physical and ranged magical.
Adding two ranged jobs feels out of place though, so chances are we get one melee and one ranged (physical or magical) in this expansion. Maybe a tank or healer and additional ranged in the one after... etc.

The DF outside of PVP does not make this differentiation and neither do most players.

It is 3 Tanks, 3 Healers, and 7 DPS.

You do not isolate a whole category of players unless you want the DF queues to suffer. Besides, it is unfair for healer and tank players if all the new classes are always DPS classes, same effect on the reverse, but to a lesser degree because everyone and their dog plays DPS.

[Nekodar]

The DF outside of PVP does not make this differentiation and neither do most players.

It is 3 Tanks, 3 Healers, and 7 DPS.

You do not isolate a whole category of players unless you want the DF queues to suffer. Besides, it is unfair for healer and tank players if all the new classes are always DPS classes, same effect on the reverse, but to a lesser degree because everyone and their dog plays DPS.

DF does try to fill parties with dps diversity though.
And SE could add a third party type, like Medium Party that is 1 tank, 1 heal, 4 dps, with DF doing its best to fill up the party with diversity in mind, and use that format for 4.0 dungeons and normal mode trials. And have a Light Party option for premades that want to go outside the regular mold. Full Party still being used for Extreme mode trials and raid (though for these, they should move to 1 tank, 2 heal, 5 dps).
Further expanding on the idea of a new party type, they should also allow for Light and Medium party alliances that with some minor retuning of LotA/ST/WoD and VA/??/?? could allow for harder versions of those with minimal amount of work.

Also, I didn't say that three healers and three tanks should be the be all and end all of healing and tanking. That's just for 4.0 that I feel we don't need more.
They could go tank+dps, dps+dps, heal+dps, or any other combination of the three roles split over two jobs.

I think they once said something about each new job being about one years worth of work to create (meaning loads of overtime to add 3 new jobs for 3.0 and nin during the 2.x series)... With it looking like 1.5-2 years from HW release to 4.0, more than two jobs is not going to happen this time. With one likely being SAM, and the other being RDM or BLU.

[Aaliyahrose]

I would like to see:
Beastmaster = Tank
Samurai = DPS
Time Mage = Healer

[Spawnie]

I would like to see:
Beastmaster = Tank
Samurai = DPS
Time Mage = Healer

no no no no.. make beastmaster dps n have puppeteer as tank can summon a Calcabrina to take damage lol

[Morzy]

I feel like it's just easier with how they did it in 3.0.

I mean sure the jobs they released in 3.0 was a huge strain... R they implying that it wouldn't be a hgue strain another way unless they just didnt release 3 jobs at once? Either awy u slice it, it's a lot of content to pump into a game, as MilesSaintboroguh points out.

Also as he highlighted, the Dev's need to find a place in the game for a guild which is probably easier to do when u release a completely new zone.

I feel like what they do now is fine.

[WinterLuna]

The problem with this is that everyone levels that one new job and the queues become ridiculous for it. When NIN was released, tanks and healers were selling regular dungeon runs because the queues took that long to pop for a DPS. I'd rather have two at a time if anything, and those being separate roles.