question how far is to far

[raymon]

Inb4 the male counterpart of the bunny suit, ends up showing no skin at all, and is more of a tux. Therefore making it actually an entirely different piece of gear for genders.

it's gonna be the Halloween even gear all over again. females unique males the same coatee we already have with a new bow

[AskaRay]

Yes, well, one can always choose to play a female character if they have such an allergy to the male form.

It's fine to have different opinions - but it's become very common for a vocal minority of people to demand that companies bend over backwards to accommodate their tastes when...they're not the majority at all. Most people want to play women who look and act like women and men who look and act like men. It doesn't have to be super masculine or feminine but with how these 'crossdressing or riot' threads go we just see people demanding that everything becomes feminine or androgynous.

Well... it's not like I'm asking for them to bend over backwards or else I'll stop playing... I'm allowed to voice my opinion right?
Besides the POINT isn't an allergy to the male form, it's a preference of a certain type of male form. Does androgyny really bother you that much, hmm? I realized this was a bit mean, but I got sort of really offended you'd tell me to just play as a female character... obviously i would've done that before if I wanted to. There's nothing wrong with it in the "real" world and there's nothing wrong with wanting it in a video game, either.

Like I said before, I'd be less annoyed if they bothered to make some nice male-only gear (and KEEP it male-only). But seeing they pull the "it's too time consuming to make more gear", it's MUCH easier to just edit current models to fit male rigs (thus making the gear unisex) than design and model new items. So if that's the card they'll keep playing I'll just keep asking for all the gear to become unisex.

The last few patches have been better about it.

[Serilda]

I'd be perfectly happy with them making a different top for the male version of the two bunny outfits if they think it fits better. Heck, they could skip the top entirely and give us a male-only neck item which looks like a bow tie and collar - perfectly suitable for the theme and the costumes some people want to make with their bunny girl friends (not to mention adaptable into alternate glamours with different tops). Adjusting designs to fit their view of aesthetics doesn't bother me so long as the male version isn't a lame afterthought while the girls get something special. You won't see me complaining about the 7-Eleven maid outfits from a design perspective because the campaign treated the guys fairly (fans outside Japan, less so).

I know the OP has put half of us on ignore now but I am hoping that the recent relaxing of gender locks on some newer equipment is a sign S-E is getting the right idea. In my mind the 'masculine aesthetic' versus 'feminine aesthetic' argument is completely separate to the 'female and unisex' problem, but there is certainly merit to suggesting more variety too - especially given how many designs are shared between the five caster jobs.

[Laerune]

You don't wanna see a dude dressed as a bunny? It's cool, I don't wanna see girls dressed as Setzer either.

You don't wanna see a dude dressed as Minfilia? It's cool, I don't wanna see girls dressed as Cid either.

The only time I have an issue with gender lock is when it's uneven. Female + unisex shouldn't be a thing.

This 100%

Its not the fact that guys are not allowed to crossdress that is bothering me more, its the fact that during ARR the developers started releasing more female only outfits per patch then males, this unevenness is what is bothering the majority of us who are demanding for male outfits.

When Golden Saucer was released they released the Setzer and Bunny outfit, one was uni-sex while the other was female only, what should have happened is: The setzer outfit is uni-sex and a female and male version of the bunny outfit or Setzer outfit is male and bunny outfit is female.

Now to the social norm that people have been raised with that makes them uncomfortable this is their own issue, they should not force players to follow their own rules. Give players the choice of freedom, if a male wants to dress as a female, let him, if you dont want to dress as a female, the choice is there to not dress as one.

[AskaRay]

This 100%

Its not the fact that guys are not allowed to crossdress that is bothering me more, its the fact that during ARR the developers started releasing more female only outfits per patch then males, this unevennessi is what is bothering the majority of us who are demanding for male outfits.

When Golden Saucer was released they released the Setzer and Bunny outfit, one was uni-sex while the other was female only, what should have happened is: The setzer outfit is uni-sex and a female and male version of the bunny outfit or Setzer outfit is male and bunny outfit is female.

Yeah, this...
I mean, I get why Setzer's outfit was made unisex. Final Fantasy legend and all.
But in return they really should've had a male counterpart to the Bunny outfit.

[Laerune]

Yeah, this...
I mean, I get why Setzer's outfit was made unisex. Final Fantasy legend and all.
But in return they really should've had a male counterpart to the Bunny outfit.

What bothered me more is that after all the complaining and requests, they decided to release another female only bunny outfit. Remember the Halloween outfits? Females get unique chest item and males get the same outfit as the Hildebrand chestgear + pumpkin acc.

[Serilda]

Yep; same with the Thavnairian set. They had a good idea for a male equivalent to the bustier set, but they modified it for female models and made it unisex. A dancer-style male-only set would have kept things balanced, yet instead they invested their time in giving the ladies something extra. If they only have a certain amount of time to work on things and this has to keep happening (which I doubt), they could at least alternate instead of always choosing the same group to favour.

It bugs me that the locked costumes are also some of the most popular glamours in the entire game. You'd struggle to find a single female character on my server without the bunny ears and Thav bustier in their collection, they're so beloved. You will find someone glamouring those items in almost every DF party. The design team have clearly done well, so can the rest of us get the same love from them now?

[Laerune]

Yep, It always felt like a bias towards designing female outfits, which I can understand. If someone likes making female outfits more then males, then they will be motivated to make more female outfits, but when you get your funds from a playerbase that is made of both genders, you have to start being fair and make outfits for both of them.

They should either make outfit for both or reduce the subscription of gamers with male avatars, because what is the point of paying for outfits that I can not wear? Luckly they have been fair the past few patches which is a good sign, but the damage is already done and the only way my faith in them can be restored is if they start releasing male version of the female exclusive outfits. We have been asking them for over a year and still no reply, they said that males will get something, but still nothing.

Yoshida said he encourages and loves feedback, but so far nothing has been done with our request.

[Kurogaea]

Breastplates. Like female breastplates. If a male character can wear it then I guess that would be going too far. I wouldn't mind it though. I'm a freedom fighter type



Also, that would be pretty funny to see XD

[KrenianKandos]

This...has been one of those things I've been agonizing over myself.

While I am a liberal thinker and in RL, you're allowed to do whatever you want, personally, when I see a man (That you can really just point out and say "Yeah, that's a guy") in a dress or something feminine, or a woman in something masculine (and yet still has very feminine features), it bothers me personally. Do I voice it? No, not really; everyone has the right to do whatever the heck they want to do with their lives. But it doesn't remove the fact that I don't feel comfortable nor is it a sight for my eyes. But that's my own personal opinion.

This is further heightened in a fantasy genre RPG. While I understand the desire from some of the LGBT and other individuals that want the ability to have some of the dresses and other items that are female only, or some of the females wanting the male counterparts, to me, it completely destroys my immersion. Now, you'll say "Well, in a game where they have a full blown chocobo suit or swimwear that you can glamour onto your gear, your immersion isn't going to stand much of a chance". While true, most of the stuff is based on the game so I can tolerate it (only a bit more. To me, the silly stuff really breaks the environment and I like to have my fantasy genre to be as immersive as possible). So to me, it makes no sense whatsoever when I see a tank in a bikini or in a chocobo/moogle suit, while somewhat funny when it does happen.

But, I completely understand the desire or the want. I would rather they give each sex a glamour that is similar to what they release the other side so that both sides feel like they are getting something. But the cross between some males wearing female gear and some females wearing male gear, I'm not keen on.

NOW! I will say this: Some of the female armor sexualizes characters, no doubt about that. They should have one that is full armor, and one that is half armor/sexualized. Allow both choices. Or, make sure that when you do this, you don't do it all the time. I can completely understand female players being completely disgruntled every time they see an armor set on a female character and it covers everything except, you know, the ABSOLUTE CRITICAL PARTS of a body. The Dragoon one is utterly stupid on a functionality level because, simply put, you've got such a huge opening. While I understand Dragoons are nimble, how is it that the female dragoon has that huge opening and the male ones don't and yet the males can still do all the Dragoon skills?

I think the sexualization of the female body is still being done to this day. And I can applaud the steps that some gamers have taken to include our female gendered colleges and take their side in some cases. To me, I can also understand that some men LIKE to see their women in a sexualized manner. While the debate between it being right or wrong can go on for years, the fact is that it's simply a common male view.

TL;DR: I don't agree with crossdressing, because on a personal view, I don't like it, because it simply breaks my immersion in the game. I'm also not afraid to speak my opinion because this is, in the end, a forum where I can state my opinion. But on that note, I also don't like the fact the game has silly stuff that can be glamoured over proper sets because it's "funny" or "cute". The visual team needs to start thinking about adding both sexes when they add items, and they need to take in account that they need to meet the same standards: If you add something sexy for females, add something sexy that females would like on males. Equality is something that should always be striven for. Finally, we have made strides on sexualizing female anatomy but we still have a long way to go before we can safely say that both sexes are being treated fairly.

From what I can see, S-E is looking towards removing some items and making it unisex. While I don't personally like that choice, it is their game and I will not say a word about it if I see it, but personally, it won't sit well with me.

"If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all" - any mother figure.