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    Magic Damage or Intelligence

    My Summoner has 2 Grimoires, 1 ILevel 55, with int 15, one ILevel 70 with int 17. However, the first has Magic Damage 59, the second 57. I presume the second is better, but I don't know how to tell.
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    1 MD = ~10 INT, so the ilvl 55 with 59 magic damage and 15 int = 605 equivalent INT. The ilvl 70 with 17 INT and 57 = 587 equivalent INT. So in this case, the ilvl 55 one is better. Is the ilvl 55 one HQ or blue and the 70 is green/NQ or something?

    This is a rough estimate. Current stat weights are based on level 60 and current gear. Generally, weapon damage is 10 (+/-2) of main stat.
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    Weapon damage is just about always the best stat. 1 wd is worth about 7-9 INT.

    If I understand correctly you are saying
    iLevel 55: WD 59, INT 15
    iLevel 70: WD 57, INT 17

    Strangely the ilevel 55 item, if I understand your description as the stats above, is the better choice. I'm guessing it's HQ while the i70 is not.
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    let's see...

    DArklight Grimoir, as an example : Darklight Grimoir!

    And the Deus Ex Verbis grimoir...

    That difference of weapon damage is kinda surprising, but I don't see one that matches his INT parameters. BUT! The second one DOES have 17 VIT, he might be a little mixed up and reading the wrong primary stats. Because the first one was 15/15 (VIT/INT), and the second is 17/20 (VIT/INT)

    [[final edit for my post]]

    As another poster poitned out, the one with higher Magic Damage in this case is better, whcih is... REALLY WEIRD, but I think it's because of the fact that the first one is an entry-level 50 ACN/SMN/SCH item, and thus was adjusted for the use by both, while the second one becomes specialized. Eventually, you get to a point where item level (outside of HQ's) is really the determinant of Weapon Damage.
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    Last edited by Eidolon; 04-22-2016 at 01:34 AM.

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    The items are:
    Ul'dahn Officer's Grimoire of Casting - ILevel 55 MD 59
    Cantamina Thavnaria - Ilevel 70 MD 57
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    If I could widen this:
    My Paladin has two Untradable Bodies she can wear
    Kokoroon's Darkshell Mail - 102 Def, 102 MagicD Str9 Vit 10 Parry 9 Acc 14
    Aetherial Mythril Haubergeon - 76 Def 57 MagicD Str 10 Vit 11 Acc16 Arit 15 SkillS 14
    Which would you choose and why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by topcat View Post
    If I could widen this:
    My Paladin has two Untradable Bodies she can wear
    Kokoroon's Darkshell Mail - 102 Def, 102 MagicD Str9 Vit 10 Parry 9 Acc 14
    Aetherial Mythril Haubergeon - 76 Def 57 MagicD Str 10 Vit 11 Acc16 Arit 15 SkillS 14
    Which would you choose and why?
    The Mail is higher defense and magic defense, and is actually designed for tanks to wear. The Haubergeon is high defense, with lower magic defense, and is actually intended for use by Dragoon. To answer your question, as the tank you should choose the Mail because that's what impacts your survivability the most.

    For additional information. Be sure to keep in mind what color the item is as well. A Blue piece of gear (rarity) will have a higher overall strength (read: apparent power level) compared to a White piece of gear of the same item level. Along with that, High Quality gear is [obviously] superior to Normal Quality gear.
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    Last edited by Klamor; 04-27-2016 at 07:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klamor View Post
    For additional information. Be sure to keep in mind what color the item is as well. A Blue piece of gear (rarity) will have a higher overall strength (read: apparent power level) compared to a White piece of gear of the same item level. Along with that, High Quality gear is [obviously] superior to Normal Quality gear.
    There are only really two different tiers of stats within the same item level: NQ and HQ. Any crafted gear uses either nq or hq stats depending on the quality of the item. Dungeon, raid and tomestone gear all uses the hq stat values for their ilevel. There are a few exceptions though. GC gear and Aetherial (pink) for example. They both mostly use hq stats, but they also tend to have some extra stats on them compared to other gear at the same ilevel. Relic and Anima weapons also start following their own rules later in the line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mholito View Post
    There are only really two different tiers of stats within the same item level: NQ and HQ. Any crafted gear uses either nq or hq stats depending on the quality of the item. Dungeon, raid and tomestone gear all uses the hq stat values for their ilevel. There are a few exceptions though. GC gear and Aetherial (pink) for example. They both mostly use hq stats, but they also tend to have some extra stats on them compared to other gear at the same ilevel. Relic and Anima weapons also start following their own rules later in the line.
    You're basically saying the same thing as me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klamor View Post
    You're basically saying the same thing as me...
    A lot of people have the misconception that the rarity of the item determines it's stats compared to the ilevel. I just wanted to make it clear that rarity is, for all intents and purposes, completely arbitrary.
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