People who ignore their threat guage

[Nezkeys79]

I was thinking something along the lines of a scoreboard/statistics sheet etc at the end of a battle that detailed info such as....


a)How many times you generated aggro, and with what action
b)who you took it from
c)who reclaimed aggro from you, and with what action
d)the actions you did that consistently produced the most emnity
e)enmity numbers would be displayed for every action that was taken to see exactly how the party enmity was from start to finish, and you could see who was close to taking/losing enmity

To be honest it would be better if they had a system where the live mechanic was clearer for these people who just obviously ignore it....maybe like a big red flashing message..."you are about to take aggro!" or "Everyone else is attacking enemy 1 except you!".

Personally I think it's not hard to follow, and that this new system is for babies but I'm tired of the amount of people on DF who obviously don't keep an eye on the threat generation their actions are causing (a substantial % even if it's a minority. Extremist religious factions are a minority but doesn't mean it's not a problem and annoying) and need to be treated as such

[Jamillion]

There are very few times that someone taking aggro is not directly caused by your own failure as a tank. If it's enough of an issue to you to cause you to hatch this plan the problem is most likely you. If DPS isn't going out of their way to suck and you lose aggro they intend to tank it until it dies since you couldn't. If one DPS is attacking an off target and you can't hold hate you need to MARK your target (no, no one is going to target you to see what your target is, that's stupid and you should be rotating your combos anyway). Otherwise it's expected you'll be able to do your job adequately. If you mark and they ignore it, screw em'.

[Nezkeys79]

There are very few times that someone taking aggro is not directly caused by your own failure as a tank. If it's enough of an issue to you to cause you to hatch this plan the problem is most likely you. If DPS isn't going out of their way to suck and you lose aggro they intend to tank it until it dies since you couldn't. If one DPS is attacking an off target and you can't hold hate you need to MARK your target (no, no one is going to target you to see what your target is, that's stupid and you should be rotating your combos anyway). Otherwise it's expected you'll be able to do your job adequately.

You sound like a bandwagoner that adopts the cancerous mentality of some people in DF. Your attitude is that it's ludicrous to suggest the healer or dps may be at fault and automatically start with "you're a failure" or "you can't tank" or "do your job adequately" or "you should be rotating your combos" (which I do btw). Bad players blame tanks for everything. I'm not saying there aren't bad tanks just that the minority of these retard button mashers is enough % to be cancerous and annoying

[StouterTaru]

You sound like a bandwagoner that adopts the cancerous mentality of some people in DF. Your attitude is that it's ludicrous to suggest the healer or dps may be at fault and automatically start with "you're a failure" or "you can't tank" or "do your job adequately" or "you should be rotating your combos" (which I do btw). Bad players blame tanks for everything. I'm not saying there aren't bad tanks just that the minority of these retard button mashers is enough % to be cancerous and annoying

The vast majority of dps that don't watch their hate do crap dps anyway, so you shouldn't have issues holding hate over them. That is why the tank is normally and often fairly blamed for being bad.

[Nezkeys79]

The vast majority of dps that don't watch their hate do crap dps anyway, so you shouldn't have issues holding hate over them. That is why the tank is normally and often fairly blamed for being bad.

Um when it's a dps who does good damage but still button mashes it's a problem. Plus in certain early dungeons where you only have flash+2 hit combo on gld/pld it turns into a yo yo war of enmity against some dps while you are waiting for hit 2 of your combo and/or flash to be up (I've tested this extensively by hawkeyeing the enmity guage after every action I do and the dps does, and there is literally nothing more optimal you can do than using 2 hit combo and/or flash spam)

For example:

Fast Blade>Savage Blade(you're top)
Fire(dps is top)
Fast Blade(dps still top)
Fire(dps still top)
Savage Blade and Flash (you're top)
Fire (dps is top again)

In this scenario there is literally fuck all you can do but watch the yo yo. The only thing that will work is if the dps swaps targets or just stops attacking periodically. Stop acting like enmity is always on the tank 100% in any dungeon and if it comes off them at any time in any dungeon (particularly a low level one) they are a shit tank who fails at their job. It's a cancerous unrealistic notion that other bad players use to cover up when they play bad. Everyone should learn how to control their own threat not just the tank

[Kabooa]

Um when it's a dps who does good damage but still button mashes it's a problem. Plus in certain early dungeons where you only have flash+2 hit combo on gld/pld it turns into a yo yo war of enmity while you are waiting for hit 2 and/or flash to be up against some dps (I've tested this extensively by hawkeyeing the enmity guage and there is literally nothing more you can do than using flash with your 2 hit combo)

Early levels, anyone can tank. Losing threat there is rarely an issue.

Max levels, you have every single tool you need to hold threat unless you are severely outgeared. In that case, odds are the DPS pulling off you are geared enough to act as pseduo-tanks, so it's rarely an issue there.

In short: Calm your tits.

[fm_fenrir]

Your attitude is that it's ludicrous to suggest the healer or dps may be at fault and automatically start with "you're a failure" or "you can't tank" or "do your job adequately" or "you should be rotating your combos" (which I do btw). Bad players blame tanks for everything. I'm not saying there aren't bad tanks just that the minority of these retard button mashers is enough % to be cancerous and annoying

Qualifying statement: I play all three tank classes, and noted soft-tank DRG. Not holding threat as a tank is 100% the tank's fault, because they have so many tools to generate and maintain it. You, as the tank, have enough options that even if you miss a mob outright during a pull, you can peel it right off the DPS that's attacking it and bring it back to you; if you can't manage that, then there's something you should know, and you might want to take a seat for this...

[Jamillion]

You sound like a bandwagoner that adopts the cancerous mentality of some people in DF. Your attitude is that it's ludicrous to suggest the healer or dps may be at fault and automatically start with "you're a failure" or "you can't tank" or "do your job adequately" or "you should be rotating your combos" (which I do btw). Bad players blame tanks for everything. I'm not saying there aren't bad tanks just that the minority of these retard button mashers is enough % to be cancerous and annoying

If it's large enough percentage to warrant all of the posts you make about it then the problem is almost certainly you. I'm aware there are crap players in every role. I see them every day. I've been blamed for pulling too big by DPS that I've out DPS'd in Defiance. Anyway, I'm sticking by what I said.

[Nezkeys79]

If it's large enough percentage to warrant all of the posts you make about it then the problem is almost certainly you. I'm aware there are crap players in every role. I see them every day. I've been blamed for pulling too big by DPS that I've out DPS'd in Defiance. Anyway, I'm sticking by what I said.

And I'm sticking to what I said about you too, because your in your last reply you just displayed the same condescending attitude. You can't defend a player who does an action on the tank or the mob while they are running in to pull and shield lob hasn't even popped up. And that's only one of the retarded things I'm talking about. I can't believe you are still taking this stance that healers and dps are never wrong when it comes to enmity. Also, here's an analogy for you concerning your percentages comment....

Extremist religious fanatics make up a small minority of the worlds population...doesn't mean it's not a problem and people won't rant about it

[Lunaxia]

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Option B: Ignore the DPS that keeps attacking a different target to the rest of the party and let the monster eat its face off.

They soon learn.