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  1. #11
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    FallenWings's Avatar
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    Xyasreau Borlaaq
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    Tonberry
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    Warrior Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Metalwrath View Post
    First of all just want to point out that for holding threat as a tank you shouldn't compare other tanks to Dark.When Dark knight was being released SE knew the main player demographic for that job was gonna be people who never tanked in their life and would choose the job because it looked cool.Hence why Darks emnity is so rediculously broken.Hoping that gets nerfed in the near future.They made it a complicated class to master but designed for retards to be able to hold agro.
    Like others have said Pld pre lvl 40 will be dificult to hold agro.One bit of advice i wil give especially in PLDS case.If some trash monster steals agro off you i generally stun the mob first before useing an agro combo to get it back.Reason why.The stun gives you the window to take back the mob emnity without the risk of the dps getting killed or stealing heals from you as tank.
    You spelled WAR wrong.
    DRK is by no means 'overpowered' when it comes to aggro. It's designed specifically as such that they burst hard with power slash because it is their most undersirable combo that does nothing but generate enmity and takes away from their class mechanic; MP Management.

    @OP
    PLD is going to suffer no matter what you do since they just a weaker AoE aggro generator. The upside is that it blinds mobs so PLD enjoys some benefits in being slightly tankier but that doesn't matter too much. Having no equivalent to Maim or Darkside to boost flash can really suck as well as ShO(their tanks stance) being at 40 for some god forsaken reason.

    Follow the advice that have been said here and update your gear as best you can. Flash 2/3 times and rotate halone combo between mobs. Nothing else you can really do otherwise.
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  2. #12
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    Chaosgrimm Winsock
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    Adamantoise
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    Conjurer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Ragology View Post
    I thought Flash scales with attack power and since Fight or Flight didn't raise attack power that it also didn't boost flash? (WAR's Berserk helps with flash though.)
    I will double check this
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  3. #13
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    James Dynamite
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    Cactuar
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    Marauder Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by FallenWings View Post
    You spelled WAR wrong.
    DRK is by no means 'overpowered' when it comes to aggro. It's designed specifically as such that they burst hard with power slash because it is their most undersirable combo that does nothing but generate enmity and takes away from their class mechanic; MP Management.
    He is talking about dungeons i'm assuming rather than bosses. So powerslash is out of the equation since the other tanks enmity combos aren't the problem since.

    I'm pretty sure they gave dark really great aggro abilities for the mp management aspect outside of powerslash. If they had to spam unleash constantly (possibly like flash) then dark arts would be harder to use (their unique mechanic). I don't know the exact enmity numbers for dark, but i'm pretty sure unleash is a better enmity generator than overpower. I might sound stupid but I'd have to look it up. Might be the exact same, but idk. Besides his delusional bantering he isn't wrong that darks mob aggro is stupid good.

    edit: yup unleash generates more enmity WITHOUT berserk being up. Same with unmend. Powerslash without dark arts is the same as warrior. Paladin is .5 behind because of the strength debuff and higher enmity boost from tank stance. Dark's tank stance gives .5 more enmity boost in comparison to warrior.
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    Last edited by Gameplayzero; 04-29-2016 at 04:24 AM.

  4. #14
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    Mewmew Rielle
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    Gilgamesh
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Ahh thank you all for replying and for your advice

    Guess it's just a matter of really paying attention to each mob and rotating my combos and flash
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  5. #15
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    Ebonwings Drakostorm
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    Excalibur
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Yawnie View Post
    Ahh thank you all for replying and for your advice

    Guess it's just a matter of really paying attention to each mob and rotating my combos and flash
    Yup that's basically it. Keep pushing forward, you will be a great PLD and keep spamming flash, because that's how us PLD got kicked out of the party because we flash everyone xD
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    Last edited by Ebonwings; 04-29-2016 at 04:47 AM.

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    Player Februs's Avatar
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    Februs Harrow
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    Diabolos
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Yawnie View Post
    Ahh thank you all for replying and for your advice

    Guess it's just a matter of really paying attention to each mob and rotating my combos and flash
    It gets easier.

    As you level and gain gear, you'll have more tools at your disposal to hold threat. Compared to Drk and War, Pld still has to pay the most attention to their threat levels than any other tank, but when you're maxed out and get to know the dungeons from tank perspective it will become second nature to you. Honestly, it's more a matter of experience than anything. Most seasoned Pld's could write you a book on different ways to hold enmity on Pld, but you'll fall into it all on your own the more you actually do it, especially if you actually like the job. That said, if you do have any specific questions don't hesitate to ask them. The forums are a strange place, but most people are generally happy to give pointers and help out when someone is honestly asking a question.
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  7. #17
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    Chaosgrimm Winsock
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    Adamantoise
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    Conjurer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by winsock View Post
    I will double check this
    Tested on target dummy with another PLD in identical gear.
    FoF does not affect flash.
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    Player Yuni_Queen's Avatar
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    Yuni Captain
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    Brynhildr
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    Dark Knight Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by winsock View Post
    FoF does not affect flash.
    I quess! Flash is a spell!
    FoF increases only physical damage dealt.
    Berzerk affect it only becuase it increases overall dmg dealt by 50%, not just physical.
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  9. #19
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    Choochoo Gonepoo
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    Siren
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    Um.. Pre level 40, before you acquire shield stance. Use 1 flash per mob in the group. (If the group is 3 deep), cast Flash 3 times in a row, then rotate your weapon skills on the three enemies. If your group is killing 1 target at a time (no AoE) do 2/3 of your weapon skills on the main target, then every 3 skills, target the 2nd or 3rd enemies and use a skill. Cast flash every 30seconds (if the group is alive that long).

    Most low level dungeons, I'll pull 9ish enemies into a big ball (if there are AoE dps in the group), pop cool downs, and just spam flash while using the weapon combo to get mp back. (Infinite flash and you don't loose hate even if there are two blm in the group).
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    Sarcatica Lin
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    Tonberry
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Yuni_Queen View Post
    I quess! Flash is a spell!
    FoF increases only physical damage dealt.
    Berzerk affect it only becuase it increases overall dmg dealt by 50%, not just physical.
    It was already long known that FoF doesn't increase any aggro generation for Flash.
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