The Omega

[Zohar_Lahar]

I am wondering if that machine was what Tiamat was referring to when she said the Ascians gave ancient Allag the means to entrap primals/eikons. I am also wondering if Unukalhai has something to do with its core mechanism, given his stellar nomenclature.

[Anonymoose]

The Aetherochemical Research Facility was technically what developed the Ultima and Omega technology, while I believe Tiamat is specifically referring to Dalamud, here. She says that the Ascians also gave knowledge to Allag, leading to Bahamut being entrapped within [永劫の檻], a cage of eternity, or eternal prison.

I'm not actually sure which information / technology was provided from the Ascians to Allag directly; perhaps the knowledge of the Paragons was utilized in the design of both the weapons and the satellite. Maybe it was the knowledge about how a primal might be manipulated into eternal limbo. The game has been pretty unspecific about that; I suppose because there's no reliable vector for that information.

Who was there to see?

[Fenral]

The game has been pretty unspecific about that; I suppose because there's no reliable vector for that information.

Who was there to see?

Doga and Unei were pretty high-ranking, enough that their clones are everywhere. Archmagus Noah's time of death is unknown, but (s)he was in a crystal orb in Syrcus Tower from that time on, pretty much the ultimate fly-on-the-proverbial-wall. Salina contradicts Doga and Unei's accounts in a few key places, so I'm not sure if that makes her more or less viable.

It'd be pretty neat if we ever got to meet a pre-augmentation Amon clone somewhere. Maybe he's in stasis in some... forbidden vault somewhere?

[Alberel]

The Aetherochemical Research Facility was technically what developed the Ultima and Omega technology, while I believe Tiamat is specifically referring to Dalamud, here. She says that the Ascians also gave knowledge to Allag, leading to Bahamut being entrapped within [永劫の檻], a cage of eternity, or eternal prison.

I'm not actually sure which information / technology was provided from the Ascians to Allag directly; perhaps the knowledge of the Paragons was utilized in the design of both the weapons and the satellite. Maybe it was the knowledge about how a primal might be manipulated into eternal limbo. The game has been pretty unspecific about that; I suppose because there's no reliable vector for that information.

Who was there to see?

The Ascians gave Allag the Heart of Sabik to use as the core for Ultima Weapon and this had the rather unique ability to imprison primals and use their powers at will. I wouldn't be surprised if Omega was similarly built around some kind of Ascian core. As far as we're aware it was Omega that defeated and imprisoned Bahamut, right?

The only other technologies that Allag might have been given would be the neurolinks or the artificial prayer channeling devices, though it wouldn't be too much to think Allag developed these themselves.

[Februs]

I'm not actually sure which information / technology was provided from the Ascians to Allag directly; perhaps the knowledge of the Paragons was utilized in the design of both the weapons and the satellite. Maybe it was the knowledge about how a primal might be manipulated into eternal limbo.

I find this to be the more interesting part of the history.

Personally, I have little doubt that Omega weapon (or something similar) was utilized in capturing and imprisoning Bahamut, as the weapon was outright stated to have been designed specifically to deal with Elder Primals such as Bahamut. If I recall correctly, this information was revealed during a meeting between the heads of state in patch 2.3, in which they introduced the lore behind the Secure game-mode; though, I don't recall if they ever stated where they came across this information (probably off of one of the many allagan relics in the cartaneu flats).

Regardless, what I find more interesting is that since the fall of the Allagan empire, the Ascians have almost never provided similar technological support to any other species in Eorzea (Ultima Weapon being the one possible exception). They have chosen instead to work with beast tribes, and what little presence they've had in the more civilized cultures of Eorzea has been through manipulation rather than technology. Personally, this leads me to believe that the Allagans may not have used it in a way that the Ascians had considered, and that the Ascians eventually concluded that it was a mistake to give them such information (whatever that information may have been).

[Frederick22]

Regardless, what I find more interesting is that since the fall of the Allagan empire, the Ascians have almost never provided similar technological support to any other species in Eorzea ).

No point to give information to a civilisation that doesnt have the tecnological means to make such weapons I suppose.

[Februs]

No point to give information to a civilization that doesn't have the technological means to make such weapons I suppose.

Either that, or they explicitly chose those civilizations because they were incapable of making such weapons.

In theory, the Ascians could have given such toys to the Garlean Empire, but they haven't. They could have also made such deals with Ishgard under the pretenses of helping them with the war on dragons, but they didn't do that either. My opinion on this is that they haven't made such offers because they are afraid of a repeat of the Allagan Empire, the primary evidence being the situation with Bahamut. When he was released, we were given a cutscene in which an Ascian was ecstatic, saying something about how he didn't think he'd get to see Bahamut again. He then burst out into maniacal laughter. With this, and the fact that the Ascians have withheld such technologies since then, I'm given the impression that the enslavement or containment of Primals wasn't part of their master plan. It's just speculation, but I have a feeling that the Allagan's developed themselves far more than the Ascian's bargained for, and their widely successful conquest of primals actually ended up working against the Ascians until the fall of their civilization.

[WyrahFhurrst]

Regardless, what I find more interesting is that since the fall of the Allagan empire, the Ascians have almost never provided similar technological support to any other species in Eorzea (Ultima Weapon being the one possible exception).

Have they not? Isn't there the impending threat of a civilization who very rapidly developed new technologies and is even advanced enough to utilize Allagan technologies? I'm not saying the Garleans could only do it with the help of the Ascians, but I am saying their rapid rise to prominence from a very small nation is suspicious, especially when their rise threatens the beast tribes, which causes them to summon their Primals, the Ascians' goal.

[Februs]

Have they not? Isn't there the impending threat of a civilization who very rapidly developed new technologies and is even advanced enough to utilize Allagan technologies? I'm not saying the Garleans could only do it with the help of the Ascians, but I am saying their rapid rise to prominence from a very small nation is suspicious, especially when their rise threatens the beast tribes, which causes them to summon their Primals, the Ascians' goal.

It's actually more likely that they haven't been given any Ascian help, or, if they have, the help they've been given is quite minimal by comparison to the Allgans.

Most of the Magitek gizmos are radically different in design form Allgan technologies (at least in appearance), and their creation has already been attributed to specific individuals. Of them, Nero is the most suspicious as he had dealings with an Lahabrea in the past, but it does not seem like those dealings involved the sharing of technologies. If they did, then there would have been no need for Nero to have spied on us during our fights with Ifrit and Titan. Lahabrea would have just told him what he wanted to know.

Further, as much as Garlemald's rapid expansion could cause an increase in for primal summonings (which is really only the case for the Sylphs and, maybe, the Vanu), the subsequent capture and enslavement or destruction of those primals is most likely not on the agenda for Ascians. Keep in mind that the Garlean Empire has a zero tolerance policy for primal summoning. Their end game is to destroy them, even at the cost of the entire species which summoned them. The immediate conflict would probably make the Ascians happy, but the overall effect would be opposite to their goals, given that the land would start to heal as soon as the primal and it's summoners were dead.

[Nalien]

I really hope the Eorzean Alliance has foolishly hyped up Omega...

"These inscriptions suggest this was built to slay Bahamut! This must be really powerful to stop that Primal!"

Fast forward to Heavensward and Azys Lla...

Allag killed Bahamut (the dragon) and Tiamat summoned Bahamut (the Primal)? How did the Allagan kill Bahamut (the dragon)...

Fast forward to 3.5, Nero walks in and chastises everyone for not realizing that this is the weak Omega Mk I that was used to slay Bahamut (the dragon) and was just on display because culture, hinting that perhaps the Allag perfected the machine and there's an Omega Mk XIV out there somewhere... Maybe have Teledji temporarily revived just so he can learn how dumb his ambitions were given how weak this Omega is, and to give Nero something to play croquet with...

The Ascians gave Allag the Heart of Sabik to use as the core for Ultima Weapon and this had the rather unique ability to imprison primals and use their powers at will.

I am also wondering if Unukalhai has something to do with its core mechanism, given his stellar nomenclature.

This doesn't bode well...

Is it weird that I've long since figured Unukalhai will absorb the Triad at some point, but never once made the connection between his name and the Heart of Sabik and it's purpose? I hope Nero inserts himself into the Triad story... "That's thing isn't "Unukalhai"! It's the Bishi of Unukalhai! An enigma whose surface even the vaunted scholars of ancient Allag failed to scratch!", Gods damned it SE, bring back Nero already!