SAMURAI SHOWDOWN

[EdwinLi]

Then I guess we have to just agree to disagree as our own belief clash with each other.

Though I guess this discussion should have ended a month ago since Yoshi-P already announced this Year SE will be revealing information about all the Jobs in 4.0 in a event if I remember correctly. So any theories, hypothesis, assumption, and etc will be debunked or confirmed this Summer or Fall.

[Alacran]

For those who believe the idea of the Assassin Samurai. This is 2/21 (chosen for their relevance to the depiction of the Samurai role in his society and to the fantasy we as fans attribute to Samurai today) from "The way of self-Reliance" or "The Way of Walking Alone" penned by a Samurai of some renown, mentioned earlier here in this thread, Shinmen Musashi

"While on the Way, do not begrudge death."

"Though you give up your life, do not give up your honor."

Many people talk about game balance, population statistics, and gear itemization, and those are valid and real concerns (I myself have done so). However I have also in this thread and others tried to present what i feel is a simple truth, Priest in history and fantasy are not known for wanton slaughter, Knights were not heralded for their miracles healing of the injured or sick. If any need an example of a Samurai Tank just look up "Standing Death of Benkei".

All of these classes/ jobs are based in history/ fantasy to some extent. The idea of out right ignoring actual real life accounts of heroism the likes of which were epic in scale is just plain ignorant.

[Ciri_Wolf]

I want Samurai dps so it can have a cool bushido mechanic. I feel like Yoshi's team cuts corners with tanks. Or at least has a hard time with them. DRK for example. Once they have an aggro combo, they pretty much say "good enough". I feel like they try to explore so much more with DPS classes.

[DWolfwood]

Thanks to Tanathya, I've discovered the usefulness of the "add to ignore list" option.

Please, let's discuss adding both Tank and DPS Samurai. Why do people seem to not be on board with it?

[Tanathya]

Apparently what this guy wants is precisely not a discussion, just more players to agree with him.

[Ciri_Wolf]

I mean fair enough I guess. I still want both tank and DPS samurai jobs.

Elaborate on this issue you have with DRK, because as far as I'm concerned, MNK/DRG/NIN are all about keeping up GL/BotD/Huton and DoTs. NIN alone has the interesting Mudra mechanic. I find WAR and DRK to be far more interesting.

DRK's identity was butchered just so it could be a tank. It's supposed to be this magic tank, but even that feels pretty lackluster. Lots DRK players seem to feel the same. After getting my DRK to 60, I could see it. It's also doesn't help that it's parry ability only works as MT as well. As a DPS class it could have been an actual Dark Knight.

[DWolfwood]

DRK's identity was butchered just so it could be a tank. It's supposed to be this magic tank, but even that feels pretty lackluster. Lots DRK players seem to feel the same. After getting my DRK to 60, I could see it. It's also doesn't help that it's parry ability only works as MT as well. As a DPS class it could have been an actual Dark Knight.

As a DRK main, I definitely think they could work on it to bring out its identity more. It seems like this ragtag hotrod of abilities that just doesn't seem that well thought out. That being said, I think it being a tank was among the best decisions they made in heavensward. They have plenty time to keep building on it, and I think the design is far more interesting than had it been a DPS.

[Tanathya]

DRK's identity was butchered just so it could be a tank. It's supposed to be this magic tank, but even that feels pretty lackluster. Lots DRK players seem to feel the same. After getting my DRK to 60, I could see it. It's also doesn't help that it's parry ability only works as MT as well. As a DPS class it could have been an actual Dark Knight.

Agreed a 100%.

[Ciri_Wolf]

As a DRK main, I definitely think they could work on it to bring out its identity more. It seems like this ragtag hotrod of abilities that just doesn't seem that well thought out. That being said, I think it being a tank was among the best decisions they made in heavensward. They have plenty time to keep building on it, and I think the design is far more interesting than had it been a DPS.

DRK has always been a high risk high reward class. Personally, I would have loved to see a hard hitting DPS that sacrificed health. Not that SAM couldn't be a tank, but from all the past classes we have, I believe SAM can be taken much further as DPS.

[Ciri_Wolf]

The only argument I've seen for pro tank, is queue times. And we already know this is false. See: DRK.