SAMURAI SHOWDOWN

[Duelle]

Just make Samurai an OT good enough to compete with WAR, and make DRK focus more on being MT, then samurai will be a tank and "dps" at same time

I'd rather the tank design be changed so that no one is guaranteed MT/OT. If attempts at synergy are creating that sort of environment, something needs to be done to undo that.

Anyway, here's something sort of relevant. >.>

I dunno, I can totally see Samurai being a tank.

It's original intention in XI was a tank with it's Seigan and Third Eye ability.

I would argue more from the stance of Third Eye, the job's A scaling in Parry and the ton of parry available to them. Seigan entered the game way after SAM was introduced.

[Ranulf]

And Ninja was supposed to be a ranged DD with close combat WS, and Drg a DD with a decent focus on the pet.. They really didn't work on the Zilart job ideas that well.

No, they didn't.

But that still doesn't mean SAM can't be a viable tank in this game. I personally got so fed up with SAM being XI's baby. I'm looking forward to seeing it as a very strong tank in XIV.

[Ranulf]

I would argue more from the stance of Third Eye, the job's A scaling in Parry and the ton of parry available to them. Seigan entered the game way after SAM was introduced.

Ahh. I started the patch that Level Sync came out, so Seigan and Third Eye were already a thing, but I still understood their original intention, lol.

They did say they were gonna re-work Parry, too. I'm hoping it becomes SAM's main thing.

At least in my eyes:

PLD: Block tank
WAR: HP tank
DRK: Magic tank
SAM: Parry tank

[Gilraen]

My major wants for Samurai and Red Mage is a return to nations. Samurai a Gridanian tank and Red Mage an Ul'dahn healer. This is the current failing of the present spread of Jobs in the game. The Extra Jobs each represent one of the three party disciplines and are all in Ishgard. Limsa Lominsa has at least one class/Job for each of the three party disciplines. Ul'dah only has tank and DD represented and Gridania only has healer and DD. This is a disparity that needs be fixed!

[silentwindfr]

Yoshida have said that the sam will be a dps.

about the roster, the game only count the jobs like this:
- tank (drk/war/pld)
- healer (whm/ast/sch)
- melee dps (mnk/nin/drg)
- ranged dps (smn/blm/mch/brd)

it's the player that make the difference between physical ranged and magical ranged, what is important is the position while the fight, not how you deal damage...

another point, we will not have 3 jobs release at the same time, yoshida was clear after the release of HW. it way too much work in terms of balance and such to add soo many jobs (especially if you count that a few month before they had added the nin)

finally, add another tank right now is pointless, since they already have some trouble to balance the three we already have. plus what sort of tank will be the sam?
- offensive one? we do have the war
- one based on parry? war and drk are doing the same
- one based mainly on physical damage? war one more time
- one using a 2hand weapon? war another time...

too many point are too similar with the other jobs already present... without forget that we already have 1h and 2h sword class as tank...

[Alacran]

Yoshida have said that the sam will be a dps.

about the roster, the game only count the jobs like this:
- tank (drk/war/pld)
- healer (whm/ast/sch)
- melee dps (mnk/nin/drg)
- ranged dps (smn/blm/mch/brd.


it's the player that make the difference between physical ranged and magical ranged, what is important is the position while the fight, not how you deal damage...

another point, we will not have 3 jobs release at the same time, yoshida was clear after the release of HW. it way too much work in terms of balance and such to add soo many jobs (especially if you count that a few month before they had added the nin)

finally, add another tank right now is pointless, since they already have some trouble to balance the three we already have. plus what sort of tank will be the sam?
- offensive one? we do have the war
- one based on parry? war and drk are doing the same
- one based mainly on physical damage? war one more time
- one using a 2hand weapon? war another time...

too many point are too similar with the other jobs already present... without forget that we already have 1h and 2h sword class as tank...

Up to the minute of selection both DRK and SAM were considered for tank duty in Heavensward. Art assets, skills, gameplay mechanics, themes could very well have been ready to go. With the launch of a new expansion, would it not make sense to use already developed concepts to save production time?

On another note what about the over all presentation of the Samurai? Through out history and myth few times will you find depictions of the dishonorable Samurai that attacks the enemy from anywhere but head on. Part of the reason we want the job/ class so bad in the game is because of those very same depictions of Heroic Samurai facing evil head on.

[Awful]

There will always be a shortage of tanks in DF in every MMO it's like that, for SAM I personally hope it's a DPS as for Red Mage I have no idea what it'll be we'll have to wait n see. They might not even add SAM or Red before they add another class we'll just have to wait and see what SE does.

3 tanks is enough as they introduced a new healer, a new tank and a new DPS in their new expac it'll most likely go to a new magical DPS since we only have SMN and BLM since people have been wanting a new magic dmg class and in 4.0 we might be getting gunblade/gunmage as we're going to take the fight to the Garleans.

[ArikDimas]

I'd rather have samurai be a dps over tank mainly because I don't want a third sword using tank.

[Bigcat9715]

So tanking or.....

[Derio]

Most likely will be a dps. However is red mage outside of 4.0 or will it be included in 4.0?