Victimize recast and Simian Thrash

[KRose]

Marauder and Lancer also both had one of their more useful weaponskills (Maim and Twisting Vice respectively) put on a 1min recast. I realize that they both still have weaponskills that are potent, in this case Storm's Path and Doomspike II while the one we got put as 1min is actually our spike hit but yeah. If you're gonna compare it like that, Archer never even had a spike weaponskill so they're almost stuck in the same boat... and that class actually is a full-blown dps. I don't get the whole like: Well MRD and LNC have a spammable ws so we should have one too! Follow-Through is 44. If they buffed that - congratulations. Pugilist has a spammable, potent weaponskill. It'd probably be better if they buffed that and made it PGL only than it would be for them to be like "WELL PGL NEEDS A NEW WEAPONSKILL. HERE YOU GO." And have it do silly damage just because.

Anyway I think at some point someone said that there was an attack similar to Simian in the .dat that was supposed to be used when Pugilist was in an "attack" stance? Maybe we'll see that with Monk. Increased cost of what though? It takes all your TP as is unless you mean you have to have like 2k just to execute it in order to use it freely. That actually doesn't sound like such a bad idea.

[Physic]

Marauder and Lancer also both had one of their more useful weaponskills (Maim and Twisting Vice respectively) put on a 1min recast. I realize that they both still have weaponskills that are potent, in this case Storm's Path and Doomspike II while the one we got put as 1min is actually our spike hit but yeah. If you're gonna compare it like that, Archer never even had a spike weaponskill so they're almost stuck in the same boat... and that class actually is a full-blown dps. I don't get the whole like: Well MRD and LNC have a spammable ws so we should have one too! Follow-Through is 44. If they buffed that - congratulations. Pugilist has a spammable, potent weaponskill. It'd probably be better if they buffed that and made it PGL only than it would be for them to be like "WELL PGL NEEDS A NEW WEAPONSKILL. HERE YOU GO." And have it do silly damage just because.

Anyway I think at some point someone said that there was an attack similar to Simian in the .dat that was supposed to be used when Pugilist was in an "attack" stance? Maybe we'll see that with Monk. Increased cost of what though? It takes all your TP as is unless you mean you have to have like 2k just to execute it in order to use it freely. That actually doesn't sound like such a bad idea.

thing is archer is gearing up to be a buff or CC class, and pugilist has to be right next to an enemy to dps, even more so than lancer.

i mean think about it really, dex is no longer effecting critical chance, everyone has same base evasion per level, pugilist has no unique gear or high ev/def gear.

In all honesty pug is stuck in an awkward phase, our current synergies are very out of wack. I enjoy countering, but if we never get hate, or cant handle hate we get, whats the point?

so yeah its a bit of an issue, but honestly it makes too much sense that pugilist has a powerful on evasion skill.

by increase cost i mean, any means of associating a cost with it, so it doesnt make its on evasion feature useless,
some examples
mp cost
increased timer
increased tp cost
when not used in evasion, thus you get the added benefit when used in counter, but pugilist has some skill that is powerful that it can use whenever it can get the tp, rather then when tanking, since apparently we arent going to be given the gear or skills to tank effeciently.

as far as the attack stance skill, yeaaaa that could be the answer, but i doubt they ll give pugilist or any other dow new skills till the cap raise. They may put it on Monk, but ultimately that wont exactly solve the pugilist issue.