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    Cnidarian's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eidolon View Post
    But like you said, read the whole thread. There were counter-suggestions that said it should only happen during the Fade to Black Reset screen, which is ONLY possible in the scenario of a full party wipe. This means things like a5S sadly wouldn't have the benefit, but honestly - I think SE should avoid annoying turns like A1/A5 (Where you have to fight a striking dummy miniboss before an actual boss.)
    Thank you for showing your ability to cherry pick what you want to read. Try reading the first part of my post in response to Jpec07 in which I state that others have come up with solutions to those hypothetical situations. In fact, let me make it easier for you and I'll just re-post it here.

    "I'll make the same statement to you as I did someone else, read the entire thread where people have come up with hypothetical situations that a boss reset =/= a full party wipe. Others have developed solutions to those hypothetical situations, but you can't just say that it's a simple fix because all you need to do is this when it comes to programming."

    Just spouting off methods to prevent the type of abuse I'm explaining doesn't mean that it is easy to implement or that it is even possible to implement based on the current code. It might be a situation where if they want to do it in one of these methods, it would require the code to be rewritten from scratch. It could also mean that it is just a simple coding addition that is very easy to implement. The end result is, we just don't know the current coding situation so spouting off how easy it is to prevent abuse is meaningless.

    Lastly, it doesn't matter if you get 1-2 extra attacks in by abusing the system, the fact that the system can be abused needs to be addressed before implementing changes (another thing I've mentioned at least once already in this thread). Another form of abuse that I personally haven't thought of yet is outlined inPLitz's post below:

    Quote Originally Posted by PLitz View Post
    The "abuse" that I think they're referring to isn't so much double-stacking CDs or anything exploitative like that. I think it's more along the lines of groups intentionally wiping because they screwed up their opener, or because they had an early accidental death, or heck even if someone didn't get as many critical hits as they wanted to in the first 20 seconds. The reason we want it is to not have to wait after popping cooldowns right before a wipe, they just have to find a way to set it up so that people can't just abort every time they have a bad pull.
    Edit - Used the correct quote at the end, originally had the wrong person quoted.
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    Last edited by Cnidarian; 05-11-2016 at 01:23 AM.

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    Player Eidolon's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cnidarian View Post
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    Fair 'nuff, I use stream of thought writing a little too much, so appologies for neglecting that first part. Either way, it kidna bothers me - because if someone wants to waste their time trying to get hte "Perfect Opener", that's not abuse. They're still losing the time that they wasted on their 'imperfect' (a laughable term) opener, they're still losing their time that they have to wipe, get back in, re-buff, and re-pull.

    Simply put, this isnt' as abusive as you think it is. Most serious raidgroups probably wouldn't even use this if it was in that short of a time period. The bigger thing they WOULD potentially do, is that they would likely wipe if they missed a DPS check of some sort. There are a few examples of this that can happen in the first few minutes of a fight - such as A5S, someone might decide to wipe if they didn't skip the first prey (But man... I couldn't imagine it, the group I was with just grumbled about having to do a mechanic.)
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