The cooldown reset on A8s is unbearable

[Mooserocka33]

The way to keep people from abusing the system is to maybe put one trash before every boss. So when people do try to pop all CDs then go into the boss it will all be for not. I wouldn't mind doing one mild group of trash then having to wait for cool downs. That is the only way people can try and cheat is pop cool downs before entering then rushing to hit the boss with like 7 seconds left on CDs. One little thing of trash would solve it.or just let people have the CDs for 4 seconds on boss it really will do nothing just add like 30 k hp to the bosses or something also. There are ways around it.

[Luascadan]

Every single scenario listed for possible ways to abuse this are stretching the line so thin it's laughable.

[Warlyx]

Every single scenario listed for possible ways to abuse this are stretching the line so thin it's laughable.

this

there is no need for trash at all , just remove the "shortcut" to boss...we will waste some time traveling back , but that time can be used to cool down the head for a few , because if we got CD reset and no downtime of at least a few seconds we can go mad in no time !

[randysquirrel]

Every single scenario listed for possible ways to abuse this are stretching the line so thin it's laughable.

I was just about to say exactly this. It's almost as if the people coming up with the theoretical scenarios of how it could be abused have no experience of raid at all *gasp*

1. Everyone popping their CDs, sending in a sacrificial lamb, who respawns, runs back to start, then you all run in with 7 secs left of your CD. Obviously there is no time for a pre-pull countdown, but the tank and everyone else hits at the same time and there are no aggro issues at all. OK.

2. Someone doesn't hit enough crits in their opener, so decide to restart (fk the rest of the team and whether they had a good opener or not). Because success/failure in every turn is nothing to do with mechanics or anything, but relying on crits. Dam Elysium and their lucky crit ratio.


3. Someone could do something and make something else happen, and it would be abuse.

4. You died and must be punished, waiting on CDs is the time for you to sit there and think about what you've done.

If these are the best arguments anyone can possibly come up with for NOT implementing the CD reset, well it only strengthens the case that it should be

[Jeykama]

2. Someone doesn't hit enough crits in their opener, so decide to restart

If these are the best arguments anyone can possibly come up with for NOT implementing the CD reset, well it only strengthens the case that it should be

#2 would actually be a pretty legitimate annoyance on any fight with early dps checks (A3S was pretty bad, and Fausts). As it is, with many fights while undergeared a single early death is enough to trigger a "let's wipe and start over." Sometimes you should just work with what you have instead of waiting until everyone gets the perfect opener, but a wipe 1-2 minutes in shouldn't mean you have to sit around waiting for Battle Voice or Hallowed. But, never trust DF players to act civil when it comes to things like this.

Short cooldown on the cooldown reset (hah) is plenty. If the fight was longer than 2 minutes everything resets, otherwise everything with cooldowns longer than 2 minutes is cut down to 2 minutes.

[Kahl_Lionheart]

Lets be real. The real reason they wont fix this isn't because of the fear of "abuse". The real reason is $$$. The more we wait for CDs, the longer progression takes. The longer progression takes, the more we will all play the game in order to complete the current raid tier. The more we play the game, the more monthly fees they collect. Its all for the all mighty dollar. Fear of abuse is just an excuse.

[alimdia]

Lets be real. The real reason they wont fix this isn't because of the fear of "abuse". The real reason is $$$. The more we wait for CDs, the longer progression takes. The longer progression takes, the more we will all play the game in order to complete the current raid tier. The more we play the game, the more monthly fees they collect. Its all for the all mighty dollar. Fear of abuse is just an excuse.

counter argument: raid finder
if it exists for the start of the next tier, you can start in the middle or end now so ..... progression is shorter now (no need to redo first few phases to get to where ur wiping)

[Garotte14]

I agree all these possible "abuse" scenarios are completely absurd. There is no reason in trying to justify NOT having cooldowns reset.

There doesn't need to be any stipulation, any trash added, shortcuts removed, etc. I mean come on. Really? Let me pop Raging Strikes, you run in and die, release, take the shortcut and run all the back, get rebuffed, and I can still get actual use out of RS? Yeah, ok. Love to see this. Please give it a shot and let me know how that turns out.

Cooldowns need to reset when the party wipes in raid instances. Period. No ifs, ands or buts. During prog in a 2 hour raid, you'll spend 30-40 minutes just standing there. This is unacceptable!

[FoxyAreku]

I agree all these possible "abuse" scenarios are completely absurd. There is no reason in trying to justify NOT having cooldowns reset.

There doesn't need to be any stipulation, any trash added, shortcuts removed, etc. I mean come on. Really? Let me pop Raging Strikes, you run in and die, release, take the shortcut and run all the back, get rebuffed, and I can still get actual use out of RS? Yeah, ok. Love to see this. Please give it a shot and let me know how that turns out.

Cooldowns need to reset when the party wipes in raid instances. Period. No ifs, ands or buts. During prog in a 2 hour raid, you'll spend 30-40 minutes just standing there. This is unacceptable!

Exactly this.

Over half the fights fade to black when you wipe anyway. Those that don't have long areas you have to run down that will take more than 20 seconds to get back into.

And besides, buffs get wiped when you die. So you should just link the reset to your character's death in raid instances, don't you think? That way no one can just be waiting outside a lockout for a reset...seems obvious.

[KarstenS]

Over half the fights fade to black when you wipe anyway.

They should make all fights like this. It would fix the "Oh shit! I've released!" issue too.