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    Evangela's Avatar
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    Why is Ninja the only melee that doesn't have a gap closer skill?

    Like Monk's Shoulder Tackle and Dragoon's Spineshatter Dive. Even Dark Knight has one.

    Ninja supposed to be the fastest and most agile job in the field but it lacks tool to move around beside Shukuchi. Shukuchi isn't that great either. It has delay time that prevent Ninja to attack immediately after using it.

    Ninja also lack a back flip ability like Bard and Dragoon can jump away in a second. Shukuchi requires 2-3 second to click on the ground. And it's Bard, not even a Hunter or a Ranger. Why is a musician can be more agile than ninjas?

    We have Overwhelm in PvP but that skill should be our basic skill in PvE mode. And also need an insta-back flip ability.
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    You kinda answered your own question even though you don't like its execution.
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    The best thing I ever did on ninja was make a shukuchi target macro. It's still not great but it has the benefit of being useable on allies and enemies
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamillion View Post
    The best thing I ever did on ninja was make a shukuchi target macro. It's still not great but it has the benefit of being useable on allies and enemies
    can you share those macros?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evangela View Post
    can you share those macros?
    Sure, it's possible as of 3.2 iirc to use <t> on ground target abilities, so it works on flaming arrow, salted earth, etc.

    This is from memory so be sure to double check it. The desired effect is to shukuchi to your target if it's in range and use a normal shukuchi if nothing is targeted. It shouldn't throw those annoying errors if you are out of range so if it doesn't take you to your target and doesn't give you a ground marker you need to get closer.

    /micon Shukuchi
    /merror off
    /ac shukuchi <t>
    /ac shukuchi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamillion View Post
    Sure, it's possible as of 3.2 iirc to use <t> on ground target abilities, so it works on flaming arrow, salted earth, etc.

    This is from memory so be sure to double check it. The desired effect is to shukuchi to your target if it's in range and use a normal shukuchi if nothing is targeted. It shouldn't throw those annoying errors if you are out of range so if it doesn't take you to your target and doesn't give you a ground marker you need to get closer.

    /micon Shukuchi
    /merror off
    /ac shukuchi <t>
    /ac shukuchi
    Thanks. I didn't know that they made it possible to macro ground target skills.

    Still hope that they remove the delay after Shukuchi though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evangela View Post
    Thanks. I didn't know that they made it possible to macro ground target skills.

    Still hope that they remove the delay after Shukuchi though.
    Don't mention it! And yeah, that delay is killer x_x
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamillion View Post
    Sure, it's possible as of 3.2 iirc to use <t> on ground target abilities, so it works on flaming arrow, salted earth, etc.

    This is from memory so be sure to double check it. The desired effect is to shukuchi to your target if it's in range and use a normal shukuchi if nothing is targeted. It shouldn't throw those annoying errors if you are out of range so if it doesn't take you to your target and doesn't give you a ground marker you need to get closer.

    /micon Shukuchi
    /merror off
    /ac shukuchi <t>
    /ac shukuchi
    Wanna point out that you don't need that error off or that second /ac.

    It's literally just /micon "Shukuchi" then /ac "Shukuchi" <t>
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamillion View Post
    Sure, it's possible as of 3.2 iirc to use <t> on ground target abilities, so it works on flaming arrow, salted earth, etc.

    This is from memory so be sure to double check it. The desired effect is to shukuchi to your target if it's in range and use a normal shukuchi if nothing is targeted. It shouldn't throw those annoying errors if you are out of range so if it doesn't take you to your target and doesn't give you a ground marker you need to get closer.

    /micon Shukuchi
    /merror off
    /ac shukuchi <t>
    /ac shukuchi
    to expand on this you can use triggers other than <t> you can use <f> numbers <2> <3> <8> to jump to wherever party members are. or you can use <mo> and it'll jump straight to wherever your mouse pointer is.

    have mine macrod to the healer generally as they're usually stood well away from the stuff I want to get out of and in a relatively safe place. makes it a lot quicker.
    it's not perfect though there are times where you really don't want to be jumping to the healers position. but on the whole I've found it to be the most usefull way to use it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mewnie View Post
    I wish this were true, but after trying it, I discovered it doesn't behave like a real teleport like Shoulder Tackle. If there's an damage patch in the area that Shukuchi passes through, you will suffer whatever effects that AoE inflicts. Unlike Shoulder Tackle, which you can use to bypass AoEs entirely..
    this is also true but does have a few exceptions. you can pass through "heavy" at speed. it's quite usefull in quarn hard for getting out of the whiling sands thing quick
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    Last edited by Dzian; 04-30-2016 at 03:25 AM.

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    Shukuchi is amazing though. Especially with ground target macro. That 60 second cooldown though.
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