Crowd control categories and diminishing returns

[Ricebowl]

Please correct me if my assumptions are wrong...

As it stands, stuns, silences, and sleeps are considered separate categories for the sake of diminishing returns. In other words, getting stunned once does not also increase the diminishing return counter for the other types of crowd control, which means you can still be slept and silenced at their full durations.

The question I have is, is it fair to interrupt casting with sleep after the diminishing returns for stuns and silence are both fully in place? I ask because smart players are now spamming sleep while the healer target is getting focused in order to interrupt spells, leaving it basically impossible for the target to act before the entire suite of crowd control chain is done. This is worsened by the fact that equanimity does not help with it. This gives WHM an absurd offensive advantage over the other two healers.

Should sleep share a diminishing return timer with one of the other two types of crowd control?

[Elfidan]

You're not wrong Rice. It's bad all over with these individual DR timers when 1 class might have 3-4 of them.

[RiceisNice]

It shouldn't share a DR, but that's more reason to why a single class shouldn't have access to more than 1 of them in the first place (looking at BLM specifically), especially when they aren't on cooldowns.

[xTysonx]

Sleep would be fine if the casters had to wait for a cooldown like classess with Bind, but they can cast it one after another effectively breaking a team apart while someone gets focused and that is where the problem lies imo. Also feels like Silence (which would keep this problem and freecasting in check like stuns) is a one trick pony since most of the skills with it have 1s duration, the only useful one is the MCH head graze since its 2s long and synergizes mid-burst on a healer to stop them from getting a heal off.

[xxczx]

Sleep would be fine if the casters had to wait for a cooldown like classess with Bind, but they can cast it one after another effectively breaking a team apart while someone gets focused and that is where the problem lies imo. Also feels like Silence (which would keep this problem and freecasting in check like stuns) is a one trick pony since most of the skills with it have 1s duration, the only useful one is the MCH head graze since its 2s long and synergizes mid-burst on a healer to stop them from getting a heal off.

Monks can spam silence with arm of the destroyer. Perfect Balance+Somersalt = Healer out of action.

[xTysonx]

Monks can spam silence with arm of the destroyer. Perfect Balance+Somersalt = Healer out of action.

You must be the first then, because I've never seen a monk just spam destroyer on a healer on Primal. My point was moreso towards the PLD/NIN/BRD/MCH silences that have cds and not being as rewarding as other CCs at 1s with DR in effect.

[Cidel]

I wouldn't be opposed to either sleep being on a shared diminishing returns with the other CCs or having a longer CD, considering how ridiculous things like PLD, WHM, BLM + w/e compositions can be.

My only other suggestion would be to give Purify a mini-Fetter Ward property of a couple seconds so people aren't immediately thrown back into more CC for people anticipating it.

[RiceisNice]

Monks can spam silence with arm of the destroyer. Perfect Balance+Somersalt = Healer out of action.

Which goes back to somersault getting an unneeded buff. Honestly I still don't understand why it has a 40 second cooldown.

[Exira]

EVERY CC SHOULD BE ON THE SAME DIMINISHING RETURNS LIKE EVERY PVP GAME EVER.

[xxczx]

You must be the first then, because I've never seen a monk just spam destroyer on a healer on Primal. My point was moreso towards the PLD/NIN/BRD/MCH silences that have cds and not being as rewarding as other CCs at 1s with DR in effect.

I haven't tried it but there is a monk on Chaos do it and it's actually an effective strat on WHMs since silence doesn't resist. AST/SCHs not so much.