This game needs better DPS feedback

[Snugglebutt]

Parsers do not cause harassment, they are tools. That's 100% bullshit. Harassers cause harassment, and guess what, it's already a reportable offence. Stop using harassment as an argument against parsers, you are abusing a legitimate and important issue for a disingenuous and invalid argument. Harassment is a very serious problem and I am quite frankly extremely pissed that people like you continue to exploit it for your bullshit. If you would actually care about harassment, you would demand that the already existing anti-harassment policies be better enforced and improved, and not whine about an extremely useful tool that has literally no causal connection to the issue. Stop.

How ironic that you accuse me of abusing an argument/position regarding the abuse of the tool in question. A tool which is being used as a method by a lot of people who are more than willing to use against others to publicly shame and harass them.

Does this mean everyone misuses it? No, but a lot of people do and it is partially because of that which SE does not officially support it and is the same reason I do not. The argument I made was valid whether you like it or not. I actually like the idea of personal parser's but I do not like party wide ones because of the abuse I have seen frequently by those who use them. Am I biased in that I can only speak about what I have seen? Yes in the same way others might be biased in the other direction if they haven't seen it happen as much. Can I claim the majority of people abuse it? No, but I can without a doubt say a lot of people do because I have seen a lot of people doing so. Is it a useful and good tool in the right hands? Sure but in my experience it is quite often not used by people the right way.

It is a loaded gun which quite a lot of people are more than willing to fire at another to cause grief or because they lack emotional self control to use it maturely, instead of sticking to polite and private one to one conversations they resort to insults and public shaming in group chat, party wide parser's being the tool they use to do pick their target for their anger and hate. Maybe if less people misused it then myself and SE would have a different policy or stance about it.

Have you considered that this type of harassment is only possible BECAUSE not everyone has access to a parser? I mean if they implemented an in-game parser, that we could all see, as soon as someone calls someone out for low dps (which I do think would happen), everyone can the instantly see if it's justified or not. Either the person being called out IS playing very poorly, in which case they deserve to be called out, or they aren't, and whoever's shouting can be told to STFU.

At the moment, half of us are completely in the dark, someone calls someone else out, none of us know if it's valid or not. I genuinely don't get how more clarity can be deemed to be a bad thing, other than by people who actively want to get carried through content putting in no effort, or are just inherently bad and know a parser would expose them

I have considered that yes. If everyone used it I believe personally it would merely increase the amount of people insulting and being abusive towards others. As shown in here already some people really can't seem to keep their emotions in check and it would be like giving everyone a loaded gun which would increase the amount of people shot. I cannot prove that would happen, it is just a guess but one that makes perfect sense to me.

The thing is even if they are talking to the right person and the person was doing badly...there is still a right way and wrong way to discuss it with them. There is no simple solution since everyone using one could potentially increase the amount of abuse that goes on, personal parser's won't please those who also want party wide ones, people won't all act maturely or more responsibly with it and no matter how strict SE's policies may get on abuse it won't stop some people who lack self control from using it in a bad way...but I cannot see how anyone can pretend that it is not being misused, it is that misuse is a valid reason as to why SE does not officially support.

[Krissey]

I usually just complain about what a shit DPS I am and how I always let BotD fall off. I pull around 1,000 DPS at ilvl 199. Dunno if that's good or bad though.

[Krissey]

How ironic that you accuse me of abusing an argument/position regarding the abuse of the tool in question.

Can you point to me where the irony here is? Is the irony that people are abusing the anti-harassment policies? Can you prove it? What's ironic here?

[Kaurie]

How ironic that you accuse me of abusing an argument/position regarding the abuse of the tool in question. A tool which is being used as a method by a lot of people who are more than willing to use against others to publicly shame and harass them.

The problem with this to me is that there are a lot of tools / things in the game which can be used by others to publicly shame them, such as:

Duty Finder
Party Finder
Chat
DPS Checks
Mechanics
Tank Busters
Heal Checks

If all of these things were not in the game, I'd imagine we'd see very little harassment! Square, plz fix.

[Ghishlain]

It's actually funny, for all the arguments there are for harassment with a parser, there's probably some harassment issues that are solved by actually having a parser available.

For example, a friend of mine was playing BRD in EXDR in the 2.3 or 2.4 patch era and ended up in a double BRD composition. They ended up wiping to something and the other BRD started to badger my friend about doing X, Y, and Z in their rotation to get more DPS. The tank then piped in here to the effect of "Umm... you know that other BRD is doubling your DPS, yeah?" Shut the other BRD up really fast afterwards.

Some food for thought to add to the continual discussion of this topic.

[Krissey]

it would be like giving everyone a loaded gun which would increase the amount of people shot. I cannot prove that would happen, it is just a guess but one that makes perfect sense to me.

Well actually when you give everyone a loaded gun you get a mexican stand off. Nobody wants to shoot first because then all hell breaks loose and everyone dies. So actually giving everyone a loaded gun typically makes people talk things out.

Also if everyone can see that someone is doing badly, and they themselves can see they are doing badly there are a few choices. 1) That person can decide to put some research into getting better. 2) They can continue pulling low numbers not caring. 3) The rest of the group can carry them 4) They can kick the low performing person and get someone who can perform.

[Izularia]

When there's an official parser in a content and everyone can see everyone else's DPS, it would be a big motivation to me if I'd see I'm worse than every other DD. I think I would think about my play style even more than before.

But I can also easily see why there are people afraid of "harassment", if you can call it like that. Some people tend to be rude. (But no, I'm not against parsers in general)

[Confidence_Trick]

Perhaps this can be worked into the Anima weapon quest line, where as our weapon's spirit grows it starts to fill the screen with chat bubbles containing nothing but relentless criticism if it thinks we're not doing enough damage. "Hit harder you bastard! I said harder, you puling streak of piss!"

[Krissey]

Perhaps this can be worked into the Anima weapon quest line, where as our weapon's spirit grows it starts to fill the screen with chat bubbles containing nothing but relentless criticism if it thinks we're not doing enough damage. "Hit harder you bastard! I said harder, you puling streak of piss!"

"A shameful display. You have brought disgrace to your ancestors. You must hone your skills and strike with greater precision."

[Airget]

How to tell if you're doing well (DPS edition):
[ ] Are things that are supposed to die dying?
[ ] Are you using your cooldowns when you can and/or when it's appropriate?
[ ] Did you avoid all avoidable damage unless the healer/raid leader told you not to?
[ ] Did your group successfully complete the encounter?

If you're 4/4 on these, then congratulations! You're playing the game adequately, and no one has any right to tell you otherwise.

You are missing a few.

() Are you using positional's properly
() Are you keeping your buffs (EX. Greased Lightning, Huton, Blood of the Dragon) up
() Are you using your AOE utility during big pulls (5+ mobs at once)