This game needs better DPS feedback

[Kaurie]

You can do that with statics. But you are being insulting towards other people too in not respecting the fact they just care about clearing it and not playing perfectly all the time in DF's. It's a two way street

How am I being insulting to other players by playing well? Edit: I suppose you mean I am being insulting on the forums to selfish and lazy players? If so, then well, I don't really apologize.

but if want a group where everyone plays the same way you do then you should use statics filled with like-minded people.

That is fairly hypocritical. Why should good players have to go find like minded players, but lazy and selfish players don't?

This game caters to more than just the most hardcore and rightly so.

This game doesn't cater to me at all. It very much caters to casual players who care very little about the people they are surrounded by, and to the top x% of raiders.

It is not hard to fathom, some people just want to clear it but are in no rush, some people don't want to use perfect rotations and optimal outputs for every single run especially if they already are stressed out and had hard day at work but for those that do there are ways to do so with people like them instead of berating others in DF just because they don't. When they cannot clear it provided it is not a training party, only then do they really need to learn how to do better. Elitism is also something that is damaging to a community.

I can fathom that people want to clear. What I cannot fathom is how they can be so selfish and lazy to hold their team back, and assume that the other players are in the 'wrong'.

I dislike your use of hyperbole. There is a massive difference between pulling respectable DPS and pulling perfect rotations. I expect people to try, I don't expect people to be perfect. I expect people to pull greater than 70% of the damage output I do while making mistakes (something I have yet to see in expert roulette). I expect people to be respectful and mindful of the players they are with and actually try their best to work together as a team, and not just drag their feet caring very little for the lives of their teammates.

[Snugglebutt]

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I am not going to get into a shotgun style argument where take sentences apart and quote/reply to lots of sentences separately.

For someone complaining about how it is insulting to you that not everyone plays the same way you do or has the same goals or standards, you seem to be dishing out more insults towards others calling them lazy, selfish casual players who don't care about anyone else vs how insulting others are to you when they just want to clear something even though they might not meet your personal standards.

Seriously if you want to play with like-minded people who go above and beyond just clearing the content then it is on you to find such people, use statics or PF's with listed requirements. There are tools in the game to allow for such so make use of them, if someone joins such a static or PF who agreed to your demands but does not abide by them then your within your rights to have words with them. If use randomly pugged DF though then it is perfectly okay if others in the group just want to clear it, if they cannot clear it and it is not a training party...only then do they need to improve.

I gave you a different PoV, take it or leave it but don't throw a tantrum over it.