This game needs better DPS feedback

[Raikki]

We've heard many times why Yoshi doesn't want to officially allow DPS meters. Fine. But we need more feedback than SSS. Anyone who's been through Duty Finder knows this. An alarming percentage of level 60 DPS still don't know how to play, and this game is doing nothing to help them. Other players aren't allowed to tell them they're doing badly because of feelings and ToS. The game needs to do it. Stop lowering the bar every time someone fails and start giving people feedback instead.

[RegentP]

They are things that can and will help you. First, you need to look for the best rotation, then head to sky, seas, and earth training grounds; GiT GuD. Finally, one must practice your mechanics for any fight, read or watch guides for what every they suit your learning style. If you want more personal Feedback you can always DPS your self by hand.

Now if you can get 8 people together and do it that way, you have a static. FYI

[whythehate]

They are things that can and will help you. First, you need to look for the best rotation, then head to sky, seas, and earth training grounds; GiT GuD. Finally, one must practice your mechanics for any fight, read or watch guides for what every they suit your learning style. If you want more personal Feedback you can always DPS your self by hand.

Now if you can get 8 people together and do it that way, you have a static. FYI

That is what we would hope every fledging dps would do, however some well most...are just ignorant to how poorly they do.

If you entered a duty in your shiny i230 weapon with lore armour and then saw at the end of the fight a player with a i200 weapon absolutely smashed your dps as the same class, maybe then these players would question their own playstyle or ask how the good dps did it.

I really love it when farming Alex and I see level 50 dps >¿<

[Welsper59]

MMORPGs generally don't tell you literally every little thing you need to do to maximize DPS. Part of the genres appeal is for people to figure it out for themselves, hence why guides and addons are even a thing. WoW in the last several years added a semi-guide to how to play your role and spec in the abilities/spell book. It's a decent start, but it doesn't help as much as people may think.

Truth be told, unless they're completely fresh to the idea of video games (which some people are), they'll have an idea of the fact there's a proper way to play. As surprising as it may be to some, even offline games have walkthrough and guides, which has been a thing for decades. In most cases, you don't need exact tellings or measurements, like with DPS meters, to perform decently at this point in the game... you really don't. Most of us will perform decently, at the very least, if we were to follow a guide or the help from people who do... or put 2 and 2 together when reading the tooltip. Of course, those meters would certainly be nice to figure out the rotation, but we already have a means for that obviously.

I'd wager the majority of people who don't even perform decently, are the folks who could not give less of a damn whether or not there were in-game means to learn. No amount of help, besides autoplaying the game for them, will change that attitude. Some would gladly quit before they're told how to play, since that involves taking time (even seconds) to read through text of something they do not care about. Those people are the ones you're probably referring to the most.

Nothing will change the way they choose to do things at this point... short of introducing something like the SSS as personal roadblocks to content. Even then though, expect a fair amount of players to pass that then halfass whatever it is they're doing. Laziness is a thing, even for the very best players out there. I would not be surprised however if even some of the "good" players begin frothing at the mouth in anger that the game is gating them by questioning their godliness lol.

[FoxyAreku]

The majority of players are bad and they don't care to get better.

Most DPS jobs in this game are very straight forward, and can easily be figured out with a simple reading of tooltips and common sense. However most people just don't care enough to give even that and will just hit whatever button looks the coolest.

No amount of hand holding or feedback will fix people like this, I bet none of those terrible DPS you see in duty finder have even done SSS, or maybe even know what it is. Same would happen if they added more things. So I believe SSS is plenty.

[Reaperking386]

Stone, Sky, Sea is their answer to dps parseer players have demanded to get. It is a take it or leave it kind of thing.

[Derio]

I must have all the best of luck because 9/10 times I use the DF, I always get above average- excellent dps paired with me.

[Jpec07]

How to tell if you're doing well (DPS edition):
[ ] Are things that are supposed to die dying?
[ ] Are you using your cooldowns when you can and/or when it's appropriate?
[ ] Did you avoid all avoidable damage unless the healer/raid leader told you not to?
[ ] Did your group successfully complete the encounter?

If you're 4/4 on these, then congratulations! You're playing the game adequately, and no one has any right to tell you otherwise.

If you're not, then you need to work on your own gameplay.

There's so much more to being a good player than putting out good numbers. Putting out good numbers is a good thing, but I would much rather take someone who knows how to avoid AoE, or who plays their class to boost the rest of the group, than someone who's so fixated on their rotation that they die 50% of the time.

[FoxyAreku]

How to tell if you're doing well (DPS edition):
[ ] Are things that are supposed to die dying?
[ ] Are you using your cooldowns when you can and/or when it's appropriate?
[ ] Did you avoid all avoidable damage unless the healer/raid leader told you not to?
[ ] Did your group successfully complete the encounter?

If you're 4/4 on these, then congratulations! You're playing the game adequately, and no one has any right to tell you otherwise.

If you're not, then you need to work on your own gameplay.

There's so much more to being a good player than putting out good numbers. Putting out good numbers is a good thing, but I would much rather take someone who knows how to avoid AoE, or who plays their class to boost the rest of the group, than someone who's so fixated on their rotation that they die 50% of the time.

Or we can have people who do all of those things AND do good numbers.

No one has said or will ever say a dead dps is a good dps.

[Greedalox]

How to tell if you're doing well (DPS edition):
[ ] Are things that are supposed to die dying?
[ ] Are you using your cooldowns when you can and/or when it's appropriate?
[ ] Did you avoid all avoidable damage unless the healer/raid leader told you not to?
[ ] Did your group successfully complete the encounter?

1) Everything will eventually die, even at a snails speed.
2) It's hard to determine appropriateness, it comes with the topic of bad deeps being bad.
4) You could end the dungeon with 12 seconds left, doesn't mean the DPS was good.