This game needs better DPS feedback

[Zojha]

Having to consider spending another large sum of money, after buying a ps4, on a pc capable of parsing and running the game smoothly just to be on par with amazing unofficial features makes me sick to my stomach. Especially since I'd also have to buy the pc version, while already owning both the ps4 and ps3 versions.

Then start demanding for SE to enforce their own rules. PCs have an advantage because SE is turning a blind eye on a prohibited third party program. It doesn't matter whether that's a parser, a boss mod, a hunt tracker, a mobile loot database or even a bot, this fact is what causes PC users to have an edge. And as long as SE is tolerating third party programs, PCs will keep having one.

That said, I personally wouldn't mind having an official gathering/crafting bot implementation...

[Ghishlain]

It's actually funny, for all the arguments there are for harassment with a parser, there's probably some harassment issues that are solved by actually having a parser available.

For example, a friend of mine was playing BRD in EXDR in the 2.3 or 2.4 patch era and ended up in a double BRD composition. They ended up wiping to something and the other BRD started to badger my friend about doing X, Y, and Z in their rotation to get more DPS. The tank then piped in here to the effect of "Umm... you know that other BRD is doubling your DPS, yeah?" Shut the other BRD up really fast afterwards.

Some food for thought to add to the continual discussion of this topic.

[Izularia]

When there's an official parser in a content and everyone can see everyone else's DPS, it would be a big motivation to me if I'd see I'm worse than every other DD. I think I would think about my play style even more than before.

But I can also easily see why there are people afraid of "harassment", if you can call it like that. Some people tend to be rude. (But no, I'm not against parsers in general)

[Confidence_Trick]

Perhaps this can be worked into the Anima weapon quest line, where as our weapon's spirit grows it starts to fill the screen with chat bubbles containing nothing but relentless criticism if it thinks we're not doing enough damage. "Hit harder you bastard! I said harder, you puling streak of piss!"

[Krissey]

Perhaps this can be worked into the Anima weapon quest line, where as our weapon's spirit grows it starts to fill the screen with chat bubbles containing nothing but relentless criticism if it thinks we're not doing enough damage. "Hit harder you bastard! I said harder, you puling streak of piss!"

"A shameful display. You have brought disgrace to your ancestors. You must hone your skills and strike with greater precision."

[missybee]

This is an extremely divisive issue that doesn't seem like it is going to be remedied any time soon.

That said, I still don't understand the adamant defense of poor/lazy play. When I go into an expert roulette, for instance, I hope to see DPS pulling more than you could pull 10 levels and over 100 item levels ago. What about that expectation is detracting from someone else's fun? So, if DPS X wants to go into a roulette and exclusively auto attack, their "fun and relaxation" is more important than that of the three other players in the group?

To reiterate, I don't think anyone against poor play is advocating for fully optimized, savage-level DPS. Hell, I am pretty sure that my rotation isn't as optimal as it could be. For me, I just would like for runs to feel like the other members of my party and/or alliance give a damn.

[Krissey]

That said, I still don't understand the adamant defense of poor/lazy play. When I go into an expert roulette, for instance, I hope to see DPS pulling more than you could pull 10 levels and over 100 item levels ago.

I ran a "Dusk Vigil" recently on my then 51 Dragoon in fresh ilvl 120 with a ilvl 115 HQ spear with my guild leader who was ilvl 217 in full Esoteric Dragoon gear + some (obviously) because I asked. I have screen shots of me doing over 100 more DPS than her at 10 levels less and around 100 less ilvl....

So...-face palm- How does one do so poorly?

Edit: I never say anything though. I just use it to make sure I'm doing okay. I want the highest numbers for my ilvl. I'm usually #1 DPS and if I get beat it just makes me want to try harder and learn my Dragoon even better. I'm still new to Dragoon's new rotation. I played back in 2.x when it was simple.

[missybee]

So...-face palm- How does one do so poorly?

Inquiring minds would like to know!

I never say anything though. I just use it to make sure I'm doing okay. I want the highest numbers for my ilvl. I'm usually #1 DPS and if I get beat it just makes me want to try harder and learn my Dragoon even better. I'm still new to Dragoon's new rotation. I played back in 2.x when it was simple.

That's pretty much exactly how I use it. It's really nice to have the instantaneous feedback.

[odintius]

I don't know what can be done all I can suggest if people feel this strongly about having good people to do casual content don't use the duty finder solo qued and start up link shells or party finder and strictly do it from your pool of ppl from own server perhaps. Finding like mined people might help, one thing for sure this isn't a JP issue. /shrug

[Rivxkobe]

I was once with a level 60 Bard who used AoE skills from time to time on a single target, and she never used Wanderer's Minuet. ME and my brother (WHM) tried to explain to them that they shouldn't do that, because its a HUGE waste of TP and a MASSIVE waste of time and DPS potential. They ignored us, then complained that everything was taking to long to die.

_-_

I also got a Bard once when doing Ultima's Ballad who was level 60 (Level 60 legs/accessories) who was equipped with a lv. 48 Bow and who spammed Wide Volley and Venomous Bite all day. It was painful.