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[Wynn]

Did they not just do a substantial crafting revamp with the other half coming in 1.21?

I called it when I said they would make these changes and still people wouldn't be happy while real crafters get the shaft on some half baked system. And here we are. Surprise!

Crafting is a grind no matter what game you play. Leave it alone. You people did enough damage already.

[Isaaru]

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[Dreamer]

Did they not just do a substantial crafting revamp with the other half coming in 1.21?

They changed some recipes, except for the two DoH classes that needed it the most. That's an update, not a revamp.

I called it when I said they would make these changes and still people wouldn't be happy while real crafters get the shaft on some half baked system. And here we are. Surprise!

Congratulations?

Crafting is a grind no matter what game you play. Leave it alone. You people did enough damage already.

No, it isn't. Go play with Vanguard or EQ2's crafting system. They're just as engaging as our system here but they actually manage to be somewhat fun as well. And if something is fun, it isn't a grind.

[Jennestia]

Wynn is correct, crafting is a grind no matter what game is played. Much like enchanting armor and the like is also a grind, it's what keeps people playing MMOs.

And if something is fun, it isn't a grind.

There's some out there who find XIV's crafting fun and engaging which by what you said wouldn't make it a grind -- enjoyability is in the eye of the beholder, since we're all different with different tastes. Doing something over and over is what a grind technically is.

[ellohwell]

You're right... they should not fix the server lag, revamp the limited graphics engine... make the environments aesthetically pleasing... They should only redo the battle system

In a way you really are right though.. a battle system really is the major defining aspect of a game...
Lag can be fixed, graphics can be improved.... But it's not a matter of better or worse
Its a very subjective area
So if you're not happy with the direction of the battle... Then this probably isn't the game for you
And I don't mean that to be rude... I hate when someone has a critique of the game and everyone jumps on them saying "Just quit"
But if you are truly this unhappy with the direction... then maybe thats the best thing for you

Either way, I am comforted by the fact that you wont be able to post here come December

Im pretty sure I never said i wanted them to focus on combat to the exclusion of everything else. And if I did, well "whoops" because I definitely dont even think that!

From yours and most people's tones, it just seems like you're all just defending this game just for the sake of defending it. Blind faith, they call it. "It will be better! I swear!"

But I am confronted by the obvious possibility that it won't be better, certainly this is the case if only minor adjustments are made to the two most fundamental aspects of the game.

On a brighter note, I just read something about combat classes getting combo skills, but I wonder how integral that will be to combat, and how beneficial it will be gameplay wise too.

If you guys wanted to defend this game, maybe you could have tried citing that feature instead of just saying:

"omg the game is going to rock when V2.0 hits. Go quit you nuub."

[ellohwell]

Did they not just do a substantial crafting revamp with the other half coming in 1.21?

I called it when I said they would make these changes and still people wouldn't be happy while real crafters get the shaft on some half baked system. And here we are. Surprise!

Crafting is a grind no matter what game you play. Leave it alone. You people did enough damage already.

There are huge issues with crafting outside of just the grind

Materia and HQ crafting are almost entirely skill-less grinds, and this becomes more true as the dev team intend to make HQ crafting a guaranteed success.

There is absolutely no gameplay outside of grinding and doing leves (now that the guild treatise traits have no bearing on any recipes and the market system is becoming automated).

Beyond some vague statement about crafters having some viability in PvP siege situations, there is no improvements coming to this system. And in fact the simplifcations have probably only served to make this aspect of the game worse, as you said.

[ellohwell]

Wynn is correct, crafting is a grind no matter what game is played. Much like enchanting armor and the like is also a grind, it's what keeps people playing MMOs.

No, it's what keeps people watching TV and movies while pressing enter, or downloading a bot.

There's some out there who find XIV's crafting fun and engaging which by what you said wouldn't make it a grind -- enjoyability is in the eye of the beholder, since we're all different with different tastes. Doing something over and over is what a grind technically is.

There is some merit to the statement that FFXIV's crafting is fun. It's fun when you are trying to put together an HQ finished item and trying to balance durability, quality, and progress. But SE intends to change this fun gameplay to an automated process where no skill or player-involvement is needed.

So basically the one redeeming feature about crafting is being canned.

And nothing is coming to replace it. Nothing is going to make crafting enjoyable, even for this elusive "some" demographic you mention.

[Answa]

The troll... trolls her own thread?

[ellohwell]

The troll... trolls her own thread?

Im pretty sure troll and trolls are the only nouns and verbs you know, judging by how its the only thing you ever say, that is.

[Answa]

Im pretty sure troll and trolls are the only nouns and verbs you know, judging by how its the only thing you ever say, that is.

That's only the first and second time I said those words in this thread! Caught in a lie!