Question to healers

[Ashkendor]

As a scholar myself, I can tell you that this is absolute tripe. No scholar worth a damn uses only their pets to heal in anything except <50 content. For a start, Eos and Selene only start healing when the tank is around 80%, secondly Embrace's healing strength doesn't even match up to a basic cure/physick spell.

Now we've gone past "difference in playstyle" to flat out saying people are bad for not doing it your way. This has been such a nice conversation so far, so please don't go there. If you don't want to DPS, that's fine. If you want to stop DPS'ing at 50%, that's fine. Don't try to tell me I'm bad because I pull more DPS than HPS, because at the end of the day we get through the dungeon, generally very quickly and with no deaths. There's always the odd instance where cleric stance won't turn off or I fatfinger selecting the tank and lustrate the DPS instead, but I'm only human. Thankfully, these mistakes are rare. The current expert dungeons barely require any healing, especially Antitower where you spend the first 3 pulls restricted to 3 mobs.

My fairy obviously doesn't do 100% of the healing, but she does do between around 60 to 75% of it, depending.

Even assuming you micro-manage every single skill in addition to being a perma DPS, unless your tank only pulls one group at a time (which realistically never happens unless they're new), there will be more damage than your pet can keep up with. It'd be like a weakened WHM that never uses Cure II and relies on Medica II regens instead.

A good tank is what enables that type of healer DPS. I go with a Warrior friend that pulls as big as he can and knows how to use his cooldowns and self heals. Between front-loading Adloquium before the pull, buffs like e4e and Fey Covenant, and Virus on any big hard-hitting mobs in the pack it's quite possible for your fairy to heal through even big pulls with FI + WD and Rouse up. If your tank isn't using their cooldowns effectively (or at all!), you're obviously going to have to heal a lot more. If we start a pull with a front-loaded crit Adloquium, that's over 9k damage that the tank basically gets to laugh at; in the meantime, I'm using those GCD's to get Eos' buffs up and to start my DPS rotation. It's really not hard to do once you get a rhythm down.

[Ghishlain]

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I just want to say that (1) I agree with this and (2) I love it when it when I see Askendor write and I don't know why >>; *Random comment of the day*

A good healer with a good tank and can DPS all day every day on most trash, even when you super pull the dungeon.

[Rawrz]

For a start, Eos and Selene only start healing when the tank is around 80%, secondly Embrace's healing strength doesn't even match up to a basic cure/physick spell.

Even assuming you micro-manage every single skill in addition to being a perma DPS, unless your tank only pulls one group at a time (which realistically never happens unless they're new), there will be more damage than your pet can keep up with. It'd be like a weakened WHM that never uses Cure II and relies on Medica II regens instead.

You mean.... there are Scholars... that don't micromanage Embrace a tank when they are above 80%... I didn't think.. I didn't think that was an option. xD jk

I'll lustrate for a tank who doesn't pop their invincibility buffs (or drks that do.) for the pull from the start of ampa expert to butterflies. Worst case (bad tank) lustrate, adlo, emergency tactics adlo then back to cs. Virus, E4E, Selene , preshields, and rouse are usually enough, with a weaved lustrate or indom then straight back to cleric stance, if it's 100% necessary.For extra dps I'll even have enough time to dissipate Selene, in most cases, towards the end of each boss. Selene does a pretty great job keeping up, because of all the cast bar animations/mechanics most bosses do. She esunas and like I've said can even silence in a few cases (interrupt macro does help but you have to spam it.)

Lustrate is used much more frequently than adlo or physick especially (almost never) if I do actually need to heal during combat.

[AdventZero]

Personally, I don't even really look at my HP 9 times out of 10. What am I going to do about it anyway? Souleater? Don't think 1k (give or take based on dark arts/crits) HP every 6 seconds is going to do a whole lot while speed pulling current dungeons, or anything outside of basic over world content really. I just do my part, hold enmity, dodge AoE's, keeps stuff still for melee dps, use my buffs, and trust everyone else to do their part as well. If I make a mistake I own up to it. If someone else makes a mistake I say "no problem" and keep moving. Cause as long as we clear before time out I'd say they did a good enough job.

[Gemina]

I think the response I was hoping for is Eos and Selene are 'capable' of solo healing the new dungeons rather than "I stay in cleric 90% of the time", or stating the fairy does 100% of the healing. I'm sensing a lot of ideal situations where everyone is on their game. All the while, I'll hear about heavy tank busters on another thread that will put healers to the test, and DF and roulette nightmares.

I see comments about at the end of the day, what matters is completing the instance, and I agree completely. I guess I just wish more sch would see their fairy as an extension of their own abilities. You're two halves of a whole.

[Kaurie]

I think the response I was hoping for is Eos and Selene are 'capable' of solo healing the new dungeons rather than "I stay in cleric 90% of the time", or stating the fairy does 100% of the healing. I'm sensing a lot of ideal situations where everyone is on their game. All the while, I'll hear about heavy tank busters on another thread that will put healers to the test, and DF and roulette nightmares.

I see comments about at the end of the day, what matters is completing the instance, and I agree completely. I guess I just wish more sch would see their fairy as an extension of their own abilities. You're two halves of a whole.

To be more clear, I have gone through expert dungeons without casting a single heal in-combat and only casting Adlo/Stone between pulls. I've also gone in with tanks who are less good at managing cooldowns and have had to pop out of cleric to use lustrate. The usual situation is that a tank will pull 2-3 groups, I will eye for an eye, pop fey illum, use adlo (potentially crit), pop rouse, go into cleric stance and DPS until they are dead. Then the next pull comes and is often smaller if the last was big (or is big if the last was small), on this pull rouse is enough to keep the tank alive and I keep DPSing. Then the boss comes where I place the fairy near the tank and she solo heals it (fully capable of doing so) and I stay in cleric for the entire duration.

So in a given average run, there will be 2-3 big pulls where I use Fey Illum/Rouse/1xAdlo (potentially whispering dawn) and there will be a few other pulls where I only use rouse and let the fairy heal, and there will be 3 bosses where the fairy will solo heal.

In a given bad run (rarely happens as these are easy), I may use a few more heals to top up the DPS standing in aoes etc.

In a given good run, I won't ever leave cleric stance.

As for tank busters, these are fairly non-existent in expert roulette. They do exist in trials and raids (even the 'easy' raids), but not so much dungeons. The biggest tank buster I can think of is "Knockout" at the end of Anti-Tower. I usually virus the 2nd one of these and the tank uses their cooldowns on the other(s), and my fairy tops them off. This tank buster brings the tank down to ~40% unmitigated, but then no damage comes out for awhile after that and your pet can top up easily.

I hope that clears up my experiences?

[ZephyrMenodora]

I still really have a few problems with these threads.

1. People focus a lot on situations where they and the party are iLvL 230 and overgear an expert Dungeon. I don't feel this advice should apply to levelling healers who are in entirely uncoordinated and undergeared parties or even your run of the mill duty finder where the players you Get are often first time tanks or tanks who don't feel like using any cool downs and just want to get a tank mount. I honestly don't see how some of the stories in this thread of Selene-only healing is true when every post-50 dungeon I have run on my scholar has required full time Hp management of tanks on all of the levelling dungeons I have run. I have spammed dungeons on my scholar and often times can only get a swift cast shadowflare up as the tanks get pummeled.

2. Threads like this send the message that it's once again fine to criticize healers and tell them how to play while it's fine for DPS to be sub-par. That fact that healers are patting themselves on the back for doing the most dps actually tells me that we really need a "dps get your act together" thread and not another "your a lazy healer if you don't dps" thread. these threads also seem to encourage actual dps to scrutinize healers for not DPSing enough when they themselves are sub-par.

Do the people who feel no or limited need to heal only run with overgeared FC friends? The stories of perfect runs requiring little or no healing has not happened for me once and I run a lot of 4 mans as I am still levelling and gearing my healing classes.

[Kaurie]

do the people who feel no or limited need to heal only run with overgeared FC friends? The stories of perfect runs requiring little or no healing has not happened for me once and I run a lot of 4 mans as I am still levelling and gearing my healing classes.

Nah this is how it has been on expert dungeons since the day of release when we were all in 210 or less gear, and is with random PUGs. It's generally how dungeons are on release, but it was particularly light on the healing requirement this time.

[ZephyrMenodora]

I still have not seen this at all. And I run expert on my WHM all the time.

[Morzy]

I have been noticing that more and more healers are letting the tank stay at lower and lower HP so they can DPS. 50% is fine. Most dungeons don't have attacks that can kill a half life tank. 20% and less is what I'm seeing more of.

My question is why? I want to hear the points of view so I can understand.

(Note: that very rare times I'm watching the tank die, very rare)

I always DPS while healing, it's incredibly boring to sit there and wait for people's HP to dorp, especially as WHM where I feel so OP as far as my healing potency, like why do I even need tetra unless I LET your HP drop.

As for 20%, you do realize 20% is like 6k HP, right? I wouldn't let someones HP drop low so I can DPS more unless I was confident they still wouldn't die and there are many factors to this.

Hell, sometimes I pop "Divine Seal + Swiftcast + Medica II + Regen + Asylum + Presence of Mind + Cleric Stance + Holy" Until the mob dies and if they don't die by the time I'm done the spells I used before DPSing will keep the tank alive until they end.

I DPS until I need to heal again. Sometimes it's at 8k HP, sometimes 3k, it depends on the encounter and how long it will take me to actually cast a spell. Most of the tim though I go risky cus I can almost always rely on Tetra being up, and the goal is to always avoid using Bene unless it truly is a emergency.