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  1. #1
    Player
    BilboTerminator's Avatar
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    Xeifer Hawkeye
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    Moogle
    Main Class
    Dragoon Lv 60

    Current state of tanks

    I am back to the game after being more than 6 months without logging in. My question is, how is it the tank meta after 3.2? How are all 3 tank jobs doing in the raiding scene?
    I have also seen some changes in the vit and str stats. I would appreciate if I could get some kind of chart with the new stat overview comparing str and vit. Also, based on what I have read until now about this fact, I am guessing vit is better than str now, or is there any kind of equality in both stats dps output?
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    Kabooa's Avatar
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    Jace Ossura
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Goldsmith Lv 100
    You can clear anything with everything.

    Vitality and Strength grant .45 attack power each. (.9 AP per 'point' compared to everyone else who gets 1 AP per 'point')
    You can't 'overmeld' primary stats anymore. (Green slots okay.)
    Tanks in general have lost close to 20% of their attack power compared to before. (Give or take 2-3%)

    This leads most to meld Strength onto vitality accessories.

    Parry is still garbage.

    It's generally accepted that it's not worth giving up Vit for Strength based on secondaries.
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    Last edited by Kabooa; 04-21-2016 at 09:10 AM.

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    Player Yuni_Queen's Avatar
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    Character
    Yuni Captain
    World
    Brynhildr
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 60
    For left side of the gear, melding Det/Crit seems to be still a top-fashion, while melding STR for right side of gear has become a static, reliable source of little dps increase (just like ^ Kabooa mentioned)

    You can now farm weekly materia Grade V from Void Ark runs to meld new Allagan Tomestones gear. The drop is guaranteed for everyone, so no rolling. You can exchange Dark Matter for materia in Iddylshire at goblin near aetherstone. Direct <flag> will be given to you in shout, it will be less complicated than remembering numbers if i give them here.

    You can also farm materia Grade IV from ARR daily beast tribes, but i don't know, if it is something new for you.

    For basic stat allocation, buy Hymn at your GC and relocate all into VIT for best performance.
    I confirm, that around 20% of actual attack power is lost since 3.2.

    Tank stances are now generating additional aggro, so for low-level dungeoning it has become a struggle to clear content, thou its nothing horrific, you just need to use flash/overpower/unleash 3-5 times more.
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    Ashkendor's Avatar
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    Ashkendor Zahirr
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 90
    If you intend to do Savage content to get the drops and the upgrades for Lore armor, I personally wouldn't bother wasting tier V materia on your gear until it's 240. Similarly, I don't waste tier V materia on prototype Midan gear. In any case, don't bother trying to cling to the STR meta in a misguided attempt to squeeze out more DPS. You will get your face bashed in even in Midas Normal because things actually hit really friggin hard now, and STR/VIT have the same stat weight toward your Attack Power anyway.

    All 3 tanks are viable for endgame now. There's a preference toward having a warrior (slashing debuff) but DRK vs PLD is pretty much a wash. PLD has slightly lower DPS, but the gap isn't as huge as it used to be. You can do it easily with either one.
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    Last edited by Ashkendor; 04-21-2016 at 04:41 AM.

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    Kali-ka's Avatar
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    Kali Ara'rashi
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 70
    One thing that may be important to note is that if you're coming back and you're ilvl 210 you will see a significant difference in your damage output due to the changes, HOWEVER it will return in roughly 10 ilvls and increase from there. At least from warrior (haven't really tested with the other 2 jobs but I'm sure someone else can confirm) I was back to doing the same amount of damage around 220 and at 226 I'm roughly doing 120 dps more (of course, I'm throwing grade Vs on everything I get so your mileage may vary). I only mention this because it was a huge upset for quite a few people (me included) when the change happened, but don't worry, it does get better.
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    Player Yuni_Queen's Avatar
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    Yuni Captain
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    Brynhildr
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    Dark Knight Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Kali-ka View Post
    HOWEVER it will return in roughly 10 ilvls and increase from there.
    WAS? Nay! Before nerf i was a happy owner of a bit higher than 1000 AP with 210 item level.
    Now i am 227 and i have 979 AP.

    Difference in iLvl is 17 nad difference in DMG output is still visibly lower. at least for dummy striking freak.
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    aleph_null's Avatar
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    Aleph Alpha
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    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Yuni_Queen View Post
    WAS? Nay! Before nerf i was a happy owner of a bit higher than 1000 AP with 210 item level.
    Now i am 227 and i have 979 AP.

    Difference in iLvl is 17 nad difference in DMG output is still visibly lower. at least for dummy striking freak.
    Yeah I think my war was around i226 when I got around the same dummy dps (3 mins no food/pt buff) as when I was in 3.15 (i209 with anima, missing savage legs/body). I think you'd need around i230 to match a BiS i210 pre-nerf dps, unless you have a lot of pentamelded crafted gears.
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    konpachizaraki's Avatar
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    Grandfall Fraxinus
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    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 70
    warrior is the weakest tank out of 3
    so weak that no matter how good their gear are the drk and pld is still the tanking the boss and not them
    please SE, buff warrior, give defiance at least 15% damage reduction bonus, if not give the curing magic from defiance upgrade to 35%
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    Sarcatica Lin
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    Tonberry
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by konpachizaraki View Post
    warrior is the weakest tank out of 3
    so weak that no matter how good their gear are the drk and pld is still the tanking the boss and not them
    please SE, buff warrior, give defiance at least 15% damage reduction bonus, if not give the curing magic from defiance upgrade to 35%
    Not sure if troll or just uneducated.
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    Player Yuni_Queen's Avatar
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    Yuni Captain
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    Brynhildr
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    Dark Knight Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcatica View Post
    Not sure if troll or just uneducated.
    Cunning type. He is WAR by main, he tries to make SE buff WAR by saying it's all bad.

    Too bad SE will never see any of those threads.
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