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    Quote Originally Posted by silentwindfr View Post
    as the tank get more and more hp i think the fact to bring back the dark knight to 100% hp is crazy, he continue to take damage and if the healer can't get you back full life you are done for
    The 100% HP heal refers to how much they need to be healed in total. You do not need to heal us to max, just simply make sure if we have 25k HP max that we receive 25k healing within that 10sec.

    Heal us for 15k, we take a 4k hit, heal for 10k. Were cured and good to go.

    Quote Originally Posted by silentwindfr View Post
    QoL that i want to see come is when you are out of fight the aura must'nt consume mana... it's idiot. we can still cut it, but since it cost more of 1200 of our mp for put it back is kinda pointless
    Unless your talking about your Tank stance of Grit (which costs about 1300 but drains no mana over time), Darkside only consumes about 400 and you refresh more than you consume when out of battle so your not taking a big hit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentwindfr View Post
    as the tank get more and more hp i think the fact to bring back the dark knight to 100% hp is crazy, he continue to take damage and if the healer can't get you back full life you are done for. personally i avoid to use it, i prefer die, it's more a bother than a help. only a white mage can really deal with it efficiently. i feel they need to reduce the goal of 100% hp to 60-75% hp for be more realistic.
    because soo far, LD can kill you and that not normal for a cd of last hope.
    What you are saying is you don't know how living dead works
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    I honestly feel like LD was designed around raid encounters and those who don't raid have a lot of trouble dealing with LD in general. If your coordination isn't on the nail the DRK is pretty screwed if the healer is already dead or wasn't paying attention. Thing is LD has no synergy with the DRK but the DRK's healer. Meanwhile PLD has the bonafide best one with a hefty cooldown and a Warrior can technically just Berserk and self heal at least half to 2/3 of their HP back through self heals during Holmgang.

    And the DRK has....DASE?
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    They cant just make it like the other two and as I said before, if your healer knows what they are doing they should be able to handle Living Dead. Its not that hard to spot.

    Generally if your healer is already out of play, then no tank cd is going to stop a wipe. Holmgang will stop a Warrior dying but it won't stop them taking damage and it roots them on the spot so they will be eating any AoEs. PLD does have a self heal but its cost means that its not going to do more than drag out the fight another tankbuster or so.

    The big CDs are major emergency switches and PLD should have the best. Mitigation is supposed to be their thing which is why they have less dps than either of the other two tanks. As for SE, I see it as a general mitigation tool. While one doesn't heal a lot, over a fight it heals a lot.

    Soul Survivor seems useless to me but Living Dead is still a very powerful CD.
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    DRK is just in the middle of pld and warrior. It's not supposed to surpass them or anything. Yes, I'd like to see as many DRKs as warriors but a couple tweaks aren't going to change that unless you make it so the average player can make a DRK do as much or more total damage than a warrior. That's not going to happen, that's warrior's niche! DRK's niche is that it's a combination of warrior and paladin with some quirky things added on...

    Quality of Life though... please make Walking Dead more obvious to healers that aren't paying attention please. Give me a option I can turn on in settings that makes my healers have like a siren going off and their screen flash when it happens in duty finder. I trust like everyone else to pay attention (friends, fc, linkshells, party finder, shouting for randoms), but duty finder is grind content and clearly I shouldn't need to use living dead anyway but... *if* I do, well I'm probably already doomed but hey, Quality of life right? Give us that small additional chance for duty finder content not to be salty pls! :P We all know the pains of duty finder. Hallowed Ground and Holmgang in duty finder are actually useful if healer got up to get a drink in the middle of a pull without telling anyone(it's not like they are going to see us ever again so people do stuff like that in duty finder!).
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    Well honestly one way to make LD better is to have a doom sigil or something hover above your character for the duration. Or even that Sole Survivor Sigil or whatever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentwindfr View Post
    he continue to take damage and if the healer can't get you back full life you are done for. personally i avoid to use it, i prefer die
    In order to post on a "XXX job balance suggestions" thread, you should have some basic knowledge of the actual job and its skills.
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    MP cost scales by level. I've been increasing my piety and the costs remain the same. In fact the MP restore from Sole Survivor has been increasing as well. At 220 Piety SS restore gave 1386. At 242 it gives 1435. And will only get better from there with continued investment.

    SS and CnS MP restores are preset to restore 884 MP at lvl 60.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagiusNecros View Post
    MP cost scales by level. I've been increasing my piety and the costs remain the same. In fact the MP restore from Sole Survivor has been increasing as well. At 220 Piety SS restore gave 1386. At 242 it gives 1435. And will only get better from there with continued investment.

    SS and CnS MP restores are preset to restore 884 MP at lvl 60.
    you are right, i don't know why i think in that moment scale whith mp.

    mp scale with our lvl too most of them, thats i want to say, and our mp recover is lock with lvl too except of sole survivor that scales with a 20%.

    the only problem i see for casuals and ejem "lazy" ejem players is meaby the cost of dark passenger who is a extra ogc 884 mp cost who can easy breaks you control of dark arts mp cost, but is like i say many times the limit for DRK is 3k mp, thats is the margin to change grit off/on and dealt with darkpassenger extra mp cost when you try to recover.
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    If you have to use LD in dungeons then there is something wrong with either you or the healer. Not the DRK job itself.
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