Toxic Environment.

[TetsuyaHikari]

While you do make some good points, Graci, I'm going to stand on the opposite side of this fence here and support the argument that some of these healers are just that bad. It has nothing to do with the other team being better. Our healer just sucked and that's not really surprising since we all saw the achievement of this being their first match when they entered.

Now, that's not to say every unranked/new healer that comes in there is terrible. I have met some good ones, but more often than not, what happens? They die in like the first 30 seconds or so because they're in unfamiliar territory, don't understand the rules of the game, and can't deal with pressure properly yet, so they fall for little gimmicks and such (like baiting your purify or attunement). I've play enough matches so far to understand when a team member is holding us back and when the other team is actually just better.

I'll be frustrated if we lose to a better team, but that will pass. What won't pass is knowing that the player who cost us the match is going to continue queuing up and I'll probably get stuck with his scrub ass again. As I go higher up in the rankings, I have less and less patience these days for DRG players that can't pull over 100k damage or healers that drop in the first minute or so of the fight.

[JazzofEtro]

Take a break guys.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ome-Positivity...

Have a KitKat.

[kensatsu]

I get it tetsuya, it's frustrating to see this happen, what i don't get also is the unranked 8v8 "the feast instance, because healing solo and healing with 2 healers is not the same, because when one is on pressure the other can save him.
I think 4vs4 not ranked would help new healer to training and get prepared for the ranked one.
But yeah, it's frustrating to see fresh new healer unable to get alive for 30 sec queuing in ranked for 10 times and already know we are certainly loosing.
But i point some lack of training possible in the game for the healers.
Graci certainly said that because like him i see so many healers get some anger even when we don't loose because of him (someone with some stacks ? good coordination burst from enemy?)
In this case, it's just be toxic without have a clue on why we are loosing and blame the healer...

[Graci]

Snip.

I do agree with this as well. There are some players you'll encounter repeatedly who can most definitely contribute heavily to your losing. I'm more so referring to the capable healers out there who still end up receiving a lot of blame from players just because they perceive any death as a fault that could have been avoided. Getting a brand new or inexperienced healer on your team is certainly frustrating, though, I imagine.

This is also not to say that tanks and DPS don't also get unfairly blamed, too, as I've seen that happen as well. And sometimes people probably do deserve some criticism for their play, but hopefully (and possibly as a result of this thread!) more and more of us can at least try to calm our frustrations over the result of the match and offer players some helpful advice if we encounter them in the future.

[TetsuyaHikari]

Snip.

Yeah, I know there's not a proper unranked mode for The Feast, but you could try Wolves' Den since you deal with pressure as a healer in there also. The only difference is, the area is smaller and you don't have to concern yourself with Adrenaline or offense/defense kits, but those are irrelevant for what you need to learn anyway. It will still help you to learn how to deal with pressure from 2-3 players at once and understand how to heal yourself and others while being on the move. I can immediately tell when one of the new healers I encounter has had previous PvP experience because of how they play, but alternatively... I can also tell when someone doesn't have a clue and dies in less than a minute, so it definitely shows, lol.

Snip.

As a PLD, I have been blamed as well sometimes, but they were under ridiculous circumstances. For example, there was a point where I was at 4 stacks already, then one of our DPS killed a tank, but someone bound me in place and it was right on top of the dead tank's body, so I jumped from 4 to 10 stacks and people went "wtf Celes?", "noob", etc. This has happened when playing as my NIN before at times too.

I'll LB someone and just as I drop, I pick up the medals before I can even move due to the recovery frames after the LB animation, lol. That or a tank will stun me on a dead guy and I'll accidentally pick those up because I can't move =3=

I usually know when I'm the one actually at fault though (like if I don't pop Cover up in time, I wait too long to pop HG, etc.), but one thing I've realized is that in this mode... There's more than enough blame to go around, lol. If your team loses, a lot of the time, it was because you guys just couldn't find a good rhythm, so collectively, everyone played badly, but people would rather blame others for their own mistakes instead of shouldering some of the responsibility for the entire team just being bad.

[FunkYeahDragons]

Take a break guys.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ome-Positivity...

Have a KitKat.

No fight me

BRD to BRD

[kensatsu]

tetsuya you are right about wolfden, it should be sync to 60 at least too.
i play war so i get blamed like you for this. the fact is if i get 4 stacks and the medals from
and the 4 medals from the tank drop, it can be messy even if a dps take this 4 stacks.

[TetsuyaHikari]

tetsuya you are right about wolfden, it should be sync to 60 at least too.
i play war so i get blamed like you for this. the fact is if i get 4 stacks and the medals from
and the 4 medals from the tank drop, it can be messy even if a dps take this 4 stacks.

Sometimes it can't be helped, lol. People get really mad at you for being that high, but the way I see it... That DPS or healer with 4 stacks is going to drop even faster than me at 8. I don't do it if I can help it, but if I've still got Hallowed Ground ready with my other defensive cooldowns and my LB, I don't mind doing it.

[DonnieD]

Sometimes it can't be helped, lol. People get really mad at you for being that high, but the way I see it... That DPS or healer with 4 stacks is going to drop even faster than me at 8. I don't do it if I can help it, but if I've still got Hallowed Ground ready with my other defensive cooldowns and my LB, I don't mind doing it.

Well the big difference here is that your team will lose much more points if you drop...

[TetsuyaHikari]

Well the big difference here is that your team will lose much more points if you drop...

This is true, but I still have a higher survivability rate than them at 4. If I know my healer is competent and has shown themselves to deal with pressure properly, I won't mind taking on more stacks because I know they can keep me up. I've encountered a handful of healers that kept me up at 10 stacks, but it's not something I like to do often. This is more of "if I have to" sort of thing because if there is a situation where I have 4 stacks and we're still behind, but our DPS managed to kill one of theirs and bump up to 4 stacks as well when they pick up the medals, he's probably going to drop when he gets focused because one of the enemies has their LB ready.

If that DPS with 4 stacks dies, we lose. Considering we only have about a minute left and my defensive CDs are ready again, I have Hallowed Ground waiting, I still have my LB, etc., I may swipe the additional 4 for myself since I have a better chance staying alive at 8 than he does at 4. Honestly, at that point, I'm just buying us as much time as I can because I've got 15000 HP, whereas he's probably hovering around 10000 or so. It's situational though, so I definitely wouldn't do this sort of thing all the time since it's too risky, lol.

It just really depends on the point difference and time remaining.