Toxic Environment.

[JazzofEtro]

In a competitive setting it's sadly human nature to get angry and lash out at frustration. I'm guilty of this myself on occasion even though I try to be patient and understanding. No one's a saint here though, you get frustrated for an extended period of time sooner or later you are gonna burst if you keep it up. Best thing to do in an extended losing streak is just to stop playing if you feel your blood pressure rising, however as a competitor that's sometimes hard to do. The emotion that goes into a competition is also one of the qualities that make it fun. Problem is that emotion doesn't always come out in a positive format lol.

It's players like you that will let us move forward and give players a chance. Yes it's frustrating and you can blow up. But how many times do you need to blow up before you realise you don't have to? We do this in real life all the time. Only difference is in person when you "blow up" there is always immediate reactions and consequences. Put your self in any other situation that ticks you off and your response is a "blow up". Very rarely you get positive results. So what we do as human beings is resort to more cleaver ways of thinking to get better results.

"Think before you speak" we have all heard that from some female right? Mother, girlfriend, wife, some teacher... Heck even daughter for some of you.

But here's one possibility how it can apply to us in game. Take this guy for example (who I don't feel is a toxic player by the way) he gets matched up with a "new guy". The new guy is not doing anything right, making a bunch of mistakes. You lose because of him.

Option A : "You SUCk! You F****** SUCK! STOP QUEUING!"
Option B : "You let us down man : ("

Result A: Abused player stops queuing. You still get matched up with another "new guy" and experience Deja Vu. Abused player tells his friends about his experience. They no longer want to try PVP. They tell their friends about PVP. Their friends now (even though never trying it) also don't play and are now reluctant to even try it in the future. They need Lore, one of them heard you can get quick LORE in PVP. They have no respect PVP and decide to abuse the light party system. = No Light Party Matches because PVE players out number us what... 1000 to 1? (I'm probably way off, yet you get my point and expect SE to
Ban all these players for what? Little old us?) We have a dead option, hardcore PVP players quit or forced to play solo Queue. We have a smaller scene.

Result B: These words cut just as deep. The player feels the need to get better and never let down his team again. Plays more, takes it serious, actively learns. Respects PVP and its scene. Tells their friends about it. They tell their friends. They give it a shot. They decide to try Light party. They get to play each other and not always the hardcore PVP gamers because guess what? PVE players out number us what... 1000 to 1? We have a healthy option to play Solo and Light party. Our scene grows. SE notices this. We start to grow.

Yes I'm not able to read minds or the future, but my example is not as farfetched as some of you may think. This is happening. Right now. Like right now as you're reading this. More people are hitting level 60 in every server and guess what they might just hop in?

You guessed it... Your next Feast Match.

[NessaWyvern]

Option B : "You let us down man : ("

Real response: "*F*** you, you f*** pleb, look at my rank! (guy is bronze)." *still queues up and doesn't change his playstyle at all*
^ This is what someone actually said.

[DonnieD]

The rage is real.

[Februs]

It's to be expected in competitive game modes. I just wish that people wouldn't let it get the better of them.

Avoiding details, I recently ran a match in which a melee Dps spent so much time spewing verbal diarrhea in the chat box (widely about things that they very clearly didn't understand) that they fell to the very bottom of the dps counter in the final score. The entire time I was thinking, don't you see what you're doing to yourself?

I understand that people get frustrated, but you should never be complaining so hard that you end up preforming the absolute worst out of everyone on the team, and if you're going to complain, then you should at least be informed on the subject of your complaint instead of ignorantly spewing nonsense in an attempt to lay the blame at somewhere other than your own feet. If rage is blinding you that badly, then, frankly, it's time to step away from the game for a bit and cool off.

[JazzofEtro]

Real response: "*F*** you, you f*** pleb, look at my rank! (guy is bronze)." *still queues up and doesn't change his playstyle at all*
^ This is what someone actually said.

Because by now he already has received the abuse and is already pissed, and in a sense "Tainted". Think about it he is already bronze right? How many games did you think it took him to get to bronze? Surely if you're telling me he's not good, then he didn't win all his games straight to get that bronze. Now think about how much abuse he received to even get that bronze before you humbly said "you let us down man". You responded the best way, or way better than "option a". Also even though he lashed back at you, this still has a chance to cause "Result B".

This route is a much better norm than the current "Option A" response right? I don't agree with his response but again I understand it, the same way I understand a gold rank players frustration. My "Result B" was a clear example of what a new player just trying out the feast for their true first games may feel. Surely after being told you suck many times as you are playing is going to eclipse someone choosing the "Option B" approach.

Actively trying to make a change takes time. This is why targeting the younger generation is always the best solution when trying to change a society for the better. My approach focus targets all the new players in hopes that it won't turn them away for good.

I wish "option B" effects was instant but it's going to take time. If you truly want your scene to flourish. Then keep being the better person. In the long run you will see a difference. Keep pushing potential players away and we end up with Dead Options like Light Party, long Seal Rock queues, unpopular 8v8 option.

Oh wait... We are already there.

Edit: don't get me wrong we will have to deal with all types of players but my point and a message is "don't be so quick to turn away every single new player you come across because they didn't perform well." In the end we just end up with a low/slow growing/dying population. When we need it to rise.

[kensatsu]

The problem is real in any game but in FFXIV, pvp community is small and this toxic environement will make it even smaller.

[Isala]

I can only speak for myself. While I don't fling the bile that is often seen, having some terrible player come in, ignore any advice and do everything in their power to suck hurts. After a while, it gets to you. To the point where you DO hit the enrage point when you see yet another terrible scrub ignoring kill orders, flailing around in the middle, doing terrible DPS, and spending more time on the floor than on an enemy. I don't condone the verbal barrage... But I'll never blame someone for exploding on a player that deserved that verbal beatdown.

[Zahbi]

I'll admit, I'm not innocent in this regard. I won't ever start ragging on people out of nowhere, but I am quite vindictive if someone starts shitting on me. Some people have seen that I can be rather cruel in this regard if I truly believe it's unjustified. For this, I apologize to the community in general and everyone I've done it to. Even if it's just in retaliation, it doesn't really do much to help the pvp community. Tends to just happen in the heat of the moment, and then I feel shitty about it afterwards. I'll try my best to control this going forward, but it's admittedly difficult.

[JazzofEtro]

I'll admit, I'm not innocent in this regard. I won't ever start ragging on people out of nowhere, but I am quite vindictive if someone starts shitting on me. Some people have seen that I can be rather cruel in this regard if I truly believe it's unjustified. For this, I apologize to the community in general and everyone I've done it to. Even if it's just in retaliation, it doesn't really do much to help the pvp community. Tends to just happen in the heat of the moment, and then I feel shitty about it afterwards. I'll try my best to control this going forward, but it's admittedly difficult.

O.o

/salute

[reefer69]

funny you started this thread and just like a fking Hypocrite a healer tell u gg at the end of a intense match and your reply is ..."Killer Mc'beast) you literally are terrible"....man go fk your self if you cant practice what you trying to preach on forums