Parry: How would you improve it?

[Shurrikhan]

It occurs to me: a lot of people would stop complaining about Parry if it didn't get in the way of other stats. So if they took Parry out of the stat budget calculation, and just had it as an extra stat that appears on Fending gear without preventing other stats from being there, it very likely go a long way to making it less reviled.

At that point it might as well just be a part of Vitality calculations for tanks though; it adds no choice. As far as I can imagine, the point behind Parry was to give the option of focusing on survival at cost of dps - an extra, tank-specific choice.

They already removed Strength's contribution to RNG mitigation precisely because they didn't want free upward scaling over the course of an installment, and even took free Accuracy out of healer gear. How would free Parry (now increasing chance rather than potency) be any different?

[Brian_]

Yeah, that was a bit of a low blow. <Parry> Low blow. <Parry> Low blow... that's it! Parry will overturn the old double WAR regime. We'll just stack parry after it gets upgraded and use low blow procs to boost DRK's MT dps. That will really show up the weaknesses in WAR's kit and leave it in the dust. Said no one ever.

I'd just like to point out that this is actually (partially) why DRK was the preferred MT over WAR in the last raid tier. When MTing gritless DRKs actually had higher DPS than WARs in part because of their parry based procs (though probably more due to their MP sustain from Blood Price + Blood Weapon).

So you can laugh at it but there is some truth to the idea.

[Jpec07]

Id love to, if you can tell me how. Ive been doing it the old fashioned way (manual counting combat log) while waiting in que. I could post a jillion ss of combat log in this thread but I dont think ppl would appreciate that

You'd actually be surprised. I'd actually love to have that kind of data to parse by hand. If you wanted to post it without slapping everyone with a huge wall of text, surround it with [hb][/hb] tags. It will preserve the text, but only show it to those who click in to see it.

[keyburz]

I ran a test and took ss of chat, and counted it up, I will post ss as soon as i can figure this out. (its 33 ss, so I need to figure out how to make this an album)
Results were: Eating hq peperoncino brought me to 1045 parry. 219 parries out of 623 hits, which is about 35.15% Not as high as I thought with 40.

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this needs some pro ms paint skills

[keyburz]

it is done

[Jpec07]

I ran a test and took ss of chat, and counted it up, I will post ss as soon as i can figure this out. (its 33 ss, so I need to figure out how to make this an album)
Results were: Eating hq peperoncino brought me to 1045 parry. 219 parries out of 623 hits, which is about 35.15% Not as high as I thought with 40.

this needs some pro ms paint skills

This shall be a fun project in coming weeks. Thanks!

[Launched]

I ran a test and took ss of chat, and counted it up, I will post ss as soon as i can figure this out. (its 33 ss, so I need to figure out how to make this an album)
Results were: Eating hq peperoncino brought me to 1045 parry. 219 parries out of 623 hits, which is about 35.15% Not as high as I thought with 40.

this needs some pro ms paint skills

Aren't 6th Legion Vanguards level 59? From what I remember in 2.x, you had a higher parry/block/dodge chance against things a lower level than you. No idea if that's what it's like in Heavensward, I haven't cared enough to check.

[Yuni_Queen]

it is done

Parrying seems to be really high with 1000 parry. However, i am not sure, if this 35.15% is not same as base-parry-for-tank + Dark Dance (i am sorry for DRK POV, but i simply am too stupid to make counts with shield for PLD)(WAR has Raw Intuiton, so not sure, if they care lol); but surely maxed parry (i suppose you have full 230 set, or melded parry in all slots, otherwise ignore this part of sentence) has immpresive parry rate. 35% is not staggering, but surely worth improving rather than erasing this stat from the game. The less you have to change, the easier it is to control balance that will change.

35% constant chance for 20% mitigation is close to what we call reliability! :3

PS Your determination to make all this hard work is worth a tank achievment. "For the Parry-chan!".

[keyburz]

Parrying seems to be really high with 1000 parry.

Yes you are right actually. Actually I started running the test with 997 and was counting it for a couple hundred, and I noticed it was coming out less then 30%. Then I decided to eat the food and suddenly its was noticably higher throughout the test. Could be a fluke, could be some kind of glitch? Because my stats were pushed over 1k with food. I have noticed the same thing while slowly melding my gear. I push the stats past 1k and it magically parries a LOT more then it should normally receive from such a small bonus.

im missing body, axe, and the accessories are melded with str 5 and 4 parry4s, so realistically its as high as this will ever get. Overmelding the hat alone was so many tier 5 materias. Could get the 230 pants for like... 2 parry gain xD

[Yuni_Queen]

Could be a fluke, could be some kind of glitch?

I doubt glitch or bug, but i certainly would like to see SE answering this interesting question on next LIVE letter if possible.

If 1000 is a cross-line for a sudden jump in parrying, it may not be the fix, that is needed, but tanks melding parry a lot. Thou pushing 1000 would still require full parry melds, and i still don't want to have one-stat-meld meta.