4.0 Ideas

**Kaizer** · 05-04-2016 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by Februs

Most likely.

My guess is that a support styled tank ...

I... I thought this was PLD?

**Februs** · 05-04-2016 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by Yuni_Queen

So far my speculations were like that. But since no one is saying a thing, i start to believe SAM will be a DPS, while tank role will be taken by some kind of weird class that existed only in certain FF episode.

If I remember correctly, SE has already said that Samurai won't be a tank. Yoshi-P stated in an interview that he "felt" like Samurai was more of a dps job rather than a Tank job. They haven't announced anything official about it yet, but it's most likely that Sam is being developed for dps ... unless Yoshi-P was just trying to throw everyone off, that is.

Regardless, that interview is probably why people stopped talking about Samurai as a Tank job, because most of us are assuming that Yoshi-P kiboshed the idea.

Originally Posted by Kaizer

I... I thought this was PLD?

Very amusing lol. Sadly, no. Outside of PvP arenas, War's single slashing debuff provides more party support then all of Pld's support moves combined, because most of Pld's support functions aren't needed. You can never have "too much" dps, but you most definitely can have "too much" defense. If the party isn't using it, then it's not needed.

Ideally, if they do decide to do a "support styled" tank, then it would most certainly have to take its queues from War, not Pld. Otherwise no one would use it, because it wouldn't be useful.

**ADVSS** · 05-04-2016 11:09 AM

LOL an original idea! A low dps tank that uses random cards to buff its party members like war cries, I mean coome on, it fits the tendancy of making new original jobs completely unique by having to be either or, maybe itll have a paladin stance or a warrior stance too

**Violette** · 05-04-2016 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by Februs

Very amusing lol. Sadly, no. Outside of PvP arenas, War's single slashing debuff provides more party support then all of Pld's support moves combined, because most of Pld's support functions aren't needed. You can never have "too much" dps, but you most definitely can have "too much" defense. If the party isn't using it, then it's not needed.

Ideally, if they do decide to do a "support styled" tank, then it would most certainly have to take its queues from War, not Pld. Otherwise no one would use it, because it wouldn't be useful.

Something something Divine Veil something spinny tornado of death.

Not to argue that war's constant 10% damage down isn't approaching broken levels of stupidly useful, but PLD's Divine Veil is an extremely useful and easy to activate defensive skill that for progression can be the difference between wipe now or wipe l8r.

**Yuni_Queen** · 05-04-2016 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Februs

SE has already said that Samurai won't be a tank.

Can you please gimme link?

Anyway, if it wasn't said officially, it wasn't said at all. :P
Not the first time though.

**Yuni_Queen** · 05-03-2016 06:54 PM

Now you mentioned stance dance, i reminded myself that samurai-tank started to be a tabu topic.

Actually all this hype for RDM tank made me think a little about 4.0 tank introduced. So SAM will not be stance-dancing tank with HP increased tank stance with single-target focusing skills? since DRK is similar to PLD, i would expect next tank to be similar to WAR, having dibs on self-buffing style of gameplay.
So far my speculations were like that. But since no one is saying a thing, i start to believe SAM will be a DPS, while tank role will be taken by some kind of weird class that existed only in certain FF episode. Like Viking... Ew.

Because i still discard RDM as tank idea.

**Xenosan** · 05-03-2016 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by Yuni_Queen

since DRK is similar to PLD, i would expect next tank to be similar to WAR..

Sadly, I am expecting the same.

If it is indeed a SAM tank, I hope the hype and enthusiasm surrounding SAMURAI will coerce SE into dabbling in some new tanking concepts to deliver on that hype. And maybe that dabbling would bring some fresh ideas to tanking meta overall, bleeding over to the existing tanks, too. For example 4.x could be about more active mitigation mechanics for all tanks

**Yuni_Queen** · 05-03-2016 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by Xenosan

I hope the hype and enthusiasm surrounding SAMURAI will coerce SE into dabbling in some new tanking concepts to deliver on that hype.

He he he he... A-am i c-crying? ;__;

yeah, i don't even have hopes to be honest. i am afraid SE focuses all their attention around new ideas and gaming experience (like those that will be introduced in 3.3 :P) rather than improving/changing/expanding classes and jobs.

"it works! Don't touch it now, or it will stop working!"

**MagiusNecros** · 05-03-2016 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by Yuni_Queen

He he he he... A-am i c-crying? ;__;

yeah, i don't even have hopes to be honest. i am afraid SE focuses all their attention around new ideas and gaming experience (like those that will be introduced in 3.3 :P) rather than improving/changing/expanding classes and jobs.

"it works! Don't touch it now, or it will stop working!"

You made a funny joke.

**Khalithar** · 05-03-2016 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by Yuni_Queen

Actually all this hype for RDM tank made me think a little about 4.0 tank introduced. So SAM will not be stance-dancing tank with HP increased tank stance with single-target focusing skills? since DRK is similar to PLD, i would expect next tank to be similar to WAR, having dibs on self-buffing style of gameplay.

It depends on how much inspiration they take from FFXI. Samurai in XI actually had a DPS stance and a defensive (not tank, defensive) stance of which you could only have one active at a time. The dps stance was called Hasso, it gave attack speed, accuracy, and damage. The defensive stance was called Seigan and essentially when used in conjunction with another buff you would dodge or counter physical attacks aimed at you.

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