Thread: troll tank or newb?

Sunken Temple of Qarn, "Paladin", no Sword Oath, Flashed mobs once, healer was tanking more than tank was... never responded to chat, even when using the translator. i pulled out titan to help tank and after a grueling hour long run we finally make it to the stone tablets to open the last door... i know the sequence Flame > Fruit, tank runs up, and pulls the flame tablet and hits the button to activate it... More mobs, more healer tanking...

It was just the weirdest group i've had in a very long time. We couldn't believe that between 2 dps and healer we pretty much completed the dungeon on our own, the "tank" seemed to be more adversary than aide... So does he sound like he was trolling or just beyond clueless and unwilling/unable to accept help? i mean Qarn is like level 35... how do you get there and not know how to do the basics? He was not a green leaf player either.

Probably not trolling. Some people are just bad. Also some ppl refuse to take any criticism. I usually find that it depends on how the criticism is given. If it's kind, usually they respond well. If it's derogatory, then it's usually ignored or met with, "Don't tell me how to play my job."

Originally Posted by Garotte14

... Also some ppl refuse to take any criticism. I usually find that it depends on how the criticism is given. If it's kind, usually they respond well. If it's derogatory, then it's usually ignored or met with, "Don't tell me how to play my job."

This. Folks, if you want to give suggestions please try to keep it civil. Not everyone plays at the same level of skill and there are a lot of different ages in this game. Spitting out hate around helpful advice usually gets that helpful advice ignored.

Also, tanking in this game is very different than tanking in many other MMORPGs. It was something of a culture shock to realize the norm in FF14 was to aoe packs and let the dps target whatever they felt like. Many MMORPGs you have to be fairly strict in burning down one at a time and a tank's toolkit wouldn't be enough to hold aggro on more than one target. The idea that meta in FF14 is for tanks to dps as much as they do and to do so out of their mitigating stance is still somewhat crazy to me, almost 20 years of MMORPGs and this is the first that I've seen that.

The point of this post is that just because something is normal and expected for experienced players doesn't mean it is normal or expected for others. And in a PuG you have no idea if that person is new to the game, new to the role, new to dungeons in general. Patience helps with a lot of these situations.

cntd... getting to the second set of trash he now announces "i have to POOP!" and doesn't move. The healer says, get Titan out and tank those.... I do it, we clear the next 2 sets of trash mobs np. As we go up the stairs, tank comes running back, yelling at me about not waiting for him. Threatens to vote kick again... i apologize, we move on, and finally finish. I got 2 commendations... my luck with DF is amazing. amazingly bad.

We tried to be nice at first... after the first two wipes on the first boss, explaining DOOM to him each time before the fight, only to have him die to the first DOOM, and never try to tank the bees, well, our patience wore out, and turned to determined silence for most of the rest of the run. Titan tanked the first boss after we kept losing the "tank"... that's how we killed that one.

If he was just bad, he needs to rethink his life choice... or go back to tank school. It was so bad it was almost like he was trying to be bad. That's why i think troll.

Originally Posted by Jpec07

But the fact that they weren't responding to /p tells me that in addition to any greenness, they were also dumb/stubborn.

Not excusing tank's behavior, but if someone isn't responding to /p, they might be playing on a console without a keyboard and no experience with the translator.

I find the translator interface too clunky to use myself, although that may be because I use a PC.

Originally Posted by DPZ2

Not excusing tank's behavior, but if someone isn't responding to /p, they might be playing on a console without a keyboard and no experience with the translator.

I find the translator interface too clunky to use myself, although that may be because I use a PC.

just incase you are unaware, you can begin typing the message of the auto translate (example: if you want to say thank you in auto translate you can type out thank) and then you can press TAB and it will bring up a list of words that begin with what you typed, being that there is only one thank you...typing thank and pressing tab will bring up thank you.