Bard Too Bursty?

[Chilla]

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I main brd in Feast and our burst is literally one of the only things actually going for us dps wise there. Our sustained damage is pretty lol. We have a silence, bind, knockback and basically an instant cast esuna which also prevents the next negative status effect as well.

Ignoring a well-played brd in Feast is a bad idea. You'd be surprised how many people just ignore me because they think "lol a lame brd," and that is just how I like it.

My opening burst has been foiled by a fast skilled healer many times. Unless you have def buff, a CD and a good healer, brd burst is an almost guaranteed KO.

[xTysonx]

Technically speaking, you could achieve a similar effect with a Gauss Round and Single target Ricochet (200+300), the major difference being you have the potential to crict all 3 hits unlike barrage (which will never crict), follow up with a buffed stun gun and bte (180+ 150), all skills being ogcd

I see no problem with either

[Renault]

To clarify, a guaranteed ~6500 damage in PVP from a single attack is absolutely ridiculous.

"Barrage" has no pre-requisites and will flat out TRIPLE the potency of Empyreal Arrow (220). This leads to 660 potency from a single attack, the most powerful in the game if I'm not mistaken.

In comparison, Machinist's PVP ability "Between the Eyes" (which was just nerfed from 180 > 150 potency) requires CC for the maximum possible 450 potency. If you're able to pull that off it's still significantly less than the hassle-free and guaranteed 660 potency of Barrage + Empyreal Arrow.

But don't forget that MCH has SEVERAL other abilities to pair with BTE to increase their 1-GCD burst. MCH burst is far higher, instantly cast, and is more reliable.

[xTysonx]

You will very rarely pull off a single target Ricochet in Feast. There is almost always another enemy player that the damage will spread to.

The dmg fallout for muti-target is not too bad, but the fact remains all 3 shots (and any nearby enemies) have the potential to crict in comparison to a flat 660. Assuming any good mch/brd starts with straight/hot shot respectively, the mch has a guaranteed 5% dmg increase and a pet that does 80pot shots on the target that was hot shotted (in this case the bard) so that is significant head start, not to mention you can pull off 4 ogcds (gauss round, rico, bind/stun gun and bte respectively) faster than 2 gcds (dots) and 2 ogcds (one that cant crict and another requires both dots to be on for 250pot)

I'm not saying there cant be hard hitting bards, I'm just saying on paper a mch is like Renault said, faster more devastating burst

[DxWings]

To clarify, a guaranteed ~6500 damage in PVP from a single attack is absolutely ridiculous.

"Barrage" has no pre-requisites and will flat out TRIPLE the potency of Empyreal Arrow (220). This leads to 660 potency from a single attack, the most powerful in the game if I'm not mistaken.

Actually Barrage+Empyreal Arrow does have a pre-req: Wanderer's Minuet. At the start of a match, you should be having your purify ready for anything; that includes BRD's Sidewinder which is 1/4 of their total burst, meaning they can't kill you if they can't apply Sidewinder. Yes, a Barraged Empyreal Arrow does a lot of dmg. But after that, all a BRD gets to do is tickle you. So if you've negated Sidewinder's dmg, Recuperated (Physical Tank/DPS class) Empyreal Arrow's dmg, you're golden. Dealing with a BRD's is the same as dealing with a SMN's burst but so much easier to counter because it takes time to set up.

[nickx]

"Barrage" has no pre-requisites

1. Wanderers Minuet to utilize Empyreal Arrow
2. Cast time with Empyreal Arrow
3. 10 second time limit to pull it off

It can be seen coming, where as Between the Eyes is more unpredictable and almost instantaneous to use with Foot Graze.

[xTysonx]

MCH was just a comparison of how normal that is dmg, you might as well complain about blm chaining fire IVs, smn getting off a burst without dots and other combo that can knock a good chunk of hp off in a few hits

If your bte is predictable then you should weave it your wildfire rotation (which does contribute to wildfire itself)

[nickx]

How at all can Empyreal Arrow be seen coming?

Barrage buff, followed by a cast. Bard mobility is also hindered afterwards.

Between is less damage but still much easier and faster to utilize. Machinist mobility is not as hindered with ammo.

[xxczx]

Friendly reminder that this is a team game. Any burst can be stopped.