The problem with this discussion is that some people are equating healers to dps, when healers are not dps.

Healers can DO dps, sure, but a Healer hitting MP-Zero is significantly more detrimental to the raid than a dps hitting TP-Zero or MP-Zero.

Looking to fflogs to compare these things is also incredibly misleading! When actually poking through the top WHM v top SCH on most of those fights, the top SCHs are all near 100% dps uptime, whereas the top WHMs are all sharing the healing approximately 50-50 with the SCH partner. The only WHM in the top on any of the fights who doesn't do this is the one who has the top in Hummel/Ratfinx, where their other healer does 100% of the healing. Comparing Healer dps on A5S is also really not super fair, because SCH's main damage comes from DoTs, which can be snapshotted on tiny-gob just before he goes big for Boost, and B2+M will last through the entire duration, for instance, where A3 will die when M does and A2 will die when B1 or A1 do for the SCH.

Vast disparity in the responsibilities of a SCH doing dps compared to a WHM, in general. It tends to be more 65-35 with SCH dps and 50-50 with WHM dps, in terms of healing responsibility.

It's just important to note that "sustained dps" for a Healer is a different concept than "sustained dps" for a DPS Job. Where we expect a DPS to maintain their damage levels throughout an encounter, because they're doing nothing but dealing damage (so someone dropping to 900 in a Midas Savage fight is just not doing their Job), a healer's "sustained" dps is judged more on just an extended period of DPS uptime - who will do more in that time?


I don't personally have experience doing Savage raiding on healer when the content is relevant, but I will say that, in everything that I do as healer, my WHM tends to out-perform my SCH in raw damage numbers. Always. Through Midas normal and through dungeons. The one thing that becomes an issue is Mana, in general. WHM does more AoE and ST dps in dungeons than SCH, but SCH never has to worry about Mana, where WHM does if the tank decides to be a loser and pull 3 mobs at a time.

But it really depends how you define "sustained" for healers. SCH absolutely has better sustained if you consider a situation where you need to replace a non-DoT spell with a heal. The more GCDs of Broil/Stone III that you drop for heals, the farther ahead SCH will pull. However, if you look at sustained DPS over a timed segment of a fight, with no downtime for heals, WHM will always come out ahead, since S3 just flat does more damage than Broil. The pps of the WHM rotation is strictly higher than the pps of the SCH rotation. That's just facts. It being impractical to have a WHM go full dps in a raid scenario doesn't imply that WHM has less sustained dps than SCH.


The reason WHM doesn't dps has nothing to do with Mana.
It has to do with the support that WHM can give the raid in Cleric Stance - read: none at all.