Quote Originally Posted by Fyce View Post
Still, it's unreliable. Like Parry.
It's nice when it happens, but you never plan expecting it. Since you should always plan for a regular Adlo, then I'll just say that N.A.Benefic's shield is strictly better and is instant cast (meaning that you can weave cleric stance and DPS better than Adlo).
I plan for crit adlos all the time. There are often periods where I can cast several adlo's to get a crit and then deploy it. I do this in both Savage and Seph EX with fairly good success.

Deployment tactics doesn't have the same use as N.A.Helios. Don't compare the two. Deployment tactics is unique and has no equivalent. The comparison is pointless.
Kind of the point.

Supervirus is also available for SMN. For physical tank busters, it's also available for WHM and BLM. Disable can stack with these virus, doesn't leave antibodies and is on a 30s shorter cooldown.
You are comparing two skills, trying to say which one is better, without even considering that they can work together.
Actually, you compared the two skills directly trying to say Disable was better. You've adjusted your argument after realizing the Supervirus is better. In another post, I noted how my static weaves in Disable between our SMN's and my Virus.

As for Sacred Soil, you don't consider the context of when you'd use it, its 1 stack cost, nor the strong regen applied by CU.

Comparing like that, in a vacuum, without context, it's really a bad thing and gives people the idea that something is better than something else, while it's not true at all in practice.
For instance, not considering the regen on CU prevent people from thinking about the consequences of that effect, which is to allow the WHM not to cast Medica II or use a Medica instead of a Cure III.
These kind of comparisons cut so much stuff from getting the full picture that they are the worst.
You keep comparing things, and then saying that comparisons are irrelevant only when SCH wins, but not when AST wins :|

That said, you get the strongER regen applied by Whispering Dawn coupled with your sacred soil if you choose to use it - and you're not stuck immobile.


See above. Besides, N.A.Helios's Shield isn't 130%.
Oh I thought it was 130% like Aspected Benefic? My bad.

No, I'm actually saying that these comparisons are pointless, while arguing why they're wrong in the first place.
Except, you're wrong in almost every way. "Well 13 is bigger than 15 if we subtract 5 off 15", is effectively what you keep on saying. You keep talking about how it is horrible to look at things in a vacuum, but then say how we cannot take into account things like Deployment tactics because there is no AST equivalent.

... which can also be used by WHM, SMN, BLM.
Not sure the point of this, but yes all of them are capable of using it. You can have near 100% up time if you have all 4 in your party.

I mean, you throw "x+y+z is better than a+b+c! yeah!" without putting that in context. You don't even consider the fact that you may not even need that kind of mitigation or that healing post buster is a thing that exist.
What I'm trying to fight is this implied 'rule' that says "if you want mitigation, go SCH, don't go AST, it's worse". No, that's not true at all. It depends on the context of the fight and other parameters like the needed DPS from healers, the needed HPS and burst heal needed, and whatnot.

Getting the full picture before saying that a job is better than another is crutial when making comparisons. Yet, most people in this thread don't.
No, I am saying that Scholar has a fuller toolkit for mitigation, and AST has a fuller toolkit for buffs. Both AST and SCH can do both, but each excel in different ways. I never said 1 job is better, I said 1 job is better at X and the other job is better at Y.