Pros and Cons of each Healer Role

[Yhisa]

It just annoys me a lot when i see or hear poor things said about ast or compared to other

AST require a HIGH skill cap to play and once u learn tricks with ur cooldowns it outshines all other healers

But people will flame saying but SCH/WHM got X skill. But forgets AST also have cooldowns too that are in sync with each other

There is endless of combos an astrologian can do with there kit unlike WHM/SCH which is set in stone

So far i have learned this tricks as AST

- Mega HoT trick
- 3 cards trick
- Omega AoE damage trick

Thing is AST can keep things rolling if u do not blow everything all at once u need to be patient and use ur brain and stop fishing for AoE balance/arrow and use ur cards/royal road properly to achieve maximum benefit

[Ghishlain]

...where do I even begin *Rubs temples*

U do know that spell speed effects lightspeed right ? Which allows u to get a lot more casts off

You are mistaken. Spell speed reduces the cast time and recast time of your spells. All Lightspeed does is reduce the cast time of spells by 2.5s while it's active. You're not using GCDs any faster (though you are front loading your heals). That's just an affect of your Spell Speed on your GCD when combined with the cast time reduction of Lightspeed (maybe a small exception with Gravity but you shouldn't be using Gravity with Lightspeed normally).

Also ur potency on hots is misleading due to spell speed effects the potency of hots it may be small but it still effects the potency

Any potency AST can get from SpS, WHM can get stacking an equal amount of SpS. I'm not quite sure what's the point of this comment.

I mean bone dragon in crystal tower, 2 alliances got wrecked and they had whm/sch.... And here is me with a sch and outhealed the damage recieved solo without sch help,,, and this is because everyone ignored the skeleton adds

If we go by ur logic WHM burst is by using cooldowns to achieve that burst, when ast does the same there burst is much higher then WHM in terms of AoE healing and dont eat up mana either

This isn't proof that AST has better healing than WHM. This is just proof that maybe you reacted to the failed mechanic much better than the other healers did in the other alliances - thus you succeed and they wiped. If you look at the actual potency per second of each spell and potential buffs at level 50, you get this order of magnitude:

Medica = 300 Potency @ 2.5s cast time = 120 potency per second per person
Helios = 300 Potency @ 2.5s * 0.95 = 126.3 potency per second per person
Medica w/ PoM = 300 potency @ 2.5s * 0.8 = 150 Potency per second per person
Helios w/ Synastry = 300 Potency * 1.2 @ 2.5s * 0.95 = 151.6 potency per second per person
Medica w/ Divine Seal = 300 Potency * 1.3 @ 2.5s = 156 potency per second per person
Helios w/ Synastry + Arrow = 300 Potency * 1.2 @ 2.5s * 0.95 * 0.9 = 169.0 potency per second per person
Helios w/ Synastry + Enhanced Arrow = 300 Potency * 1.2 @ 2.5s * 0.95 * 0.85 = 179.10 potency per second per person
Medica w/ Divine Seal + PoM = 300 Potency * 1.3 @ 2.5s * 0.8 = 195 potency per second per person

Also not sure what you mean by "not eating up Mana" in your post since AST doesn't have an AoE heal ability that isn't a HoT.

AST got the best Kit out of all the healers with certain combos u can push both healer dps and not worry about healing for a while, which a WHM or SCH cannot do, there is a lot of tricks to learn as AST which many people have not even learned

It just annoys me a lot when i see or hear poor things said about ast or compared to other

AST require a HIGH skill cap to play and once u learn tricks with ur cooldowns it outshines all other healers

But people will flame saying but SCH/WHM got X skill. But forgets AST also have cooldowns too that are in sync with each other

There is endless of combos an astrologian can do with there kit unlike WHM/SCH which is set in stone

So far i have learned this tricks as AST

- Mega HoT trick
- 3 cards trick
- Omega AoE damage trick

Thing is AST can keep things rolling if u do not blow everything all at once u need to be patient and use ur brain and stop fishing for AoE balance/arrow and use ur cards/royal road properly to achieve maximum benefit

Every job has their nuances that require them to play well and have different tactics and tricks that work well with their kits. Divine Seal + Regen + Medica II + Asylum (360 potency / tick) pretty much equals AST's super HoT ticks (366 potency / tick) at the cost of having less duration but WHM "mitigation" can be extended on trash via Holy stun on Trash for an additional 7 seconds. The most obvious trick in the SCH kit is Deployed Adlo, but can combine with Fey Illuminate + Dissipation for insane mitigation in a single sitting if required.

Yes, it's annoying when people say that AST can't compete as that shows a level of ignorance of a past incarnation of the job. With that being said, telling everyone else to "learn to play" that you are prone to do in a myriad amount of your posts isn't the way to do it. Instead it just shows a level of ignorance from you about the entire healing paradigm. Right now, all I get from your posts is that (1) you're an AST fanboy/girl (2) you show a level of contempt for other healers that's unhealthy and (3) you have a level of ignorance about game mechanics and it hurts your posts and logic more than it helps.

[zuzu-bq]

Pleasant cat noises.

I like your posts, but sadly I see a lot of people failing to understand what you point out.

[DarkmoonVael]

It just annoys me a lot when i see or hear poor things said about ast or compared to other

AST reputation is also erroded by people grossly over exaggerating its abilities when compared to the other healers......like what you are doing.

- Mega HoT trick
- 3 cards trick
- Omega AoE damage trick

Mega HoT trick is not just unique to AST, WHM can do exactly the same effect.

Please explain the 3 card trick. You should never have access to three cards at once on an AST.

And what in blue blazes is an "omega AoE damage trick". It would help if you didnt make up weird names for things that dont exist in game.

ADD the 5% speed u gain from Diurnal sect aswell... U can drop ur cast and recast to 1.50 cast and 2.20 recast if u throw an arrow on yourself

Iv already done it a few times and got 5 casts of remeber that there is delays when u cast spells within the game (u know the cast and move trick) so ur final 5th cast goes off anyway if i knew how to make videos and upload it i would have shown the prove of it which will then change the statement of Astrologian a lot

If you, as an AST, are using arrow on yourself, then there is something seriously wrong........

.... Light speed reduce ur MP cost of spells aswell i swear ur both really over sighting the AST kit

Lightspeed + ewer or aether malipulation = free AoE healing if u stack spell speed enjoy ur 5th instant spell before light speed wears of, unless u want to extent it with celestrial opposition which gives more mana regen and more light speed casts

Yeah let see a WHM do that xD appart from the free assize WHM have to burn MP to use medica 1/2 or Cure 3 where ast can Burst heal the entire party without spending any MP and throw out a AoE regen too with 0 cost

Like i said AST require u to combo ur kit if u do this No other healer can beat u

And if i have speat and mech /bard already blow cooldowns throw it on urself so u van burst Sooner next time

Please stop over sighting the AST kit as a whole

Its not free healing on AST. It has just taken multiple resources to pull off:

1) lightspeed (a cooldown)
2)ewer (a card, which could be used in someone else)
3)Lunineferous Aether (guessing you didnt mean aetherial manipulation, seeing as that is a BLM skill and is a movement based skill)
4) mana.

So those free AoE heals did, in fact, use 4 resources, so are not free.


Most of all tell us about the three card trick and omega aoe thing please.......

[Kaurie]

Mega HoT trick is not just unique to AST, WHM can do exactly the same effect.

What is meant by Mega HoT? Is that just Synastry + Aspected Helios or Divine Seal + Medica II? There is also Rouse + Whispering Dawn, which I believe is actually the highest of the 3 for potency during it's duration, but comes with a 60s cooldown.

[DarkmoonVael]

What is meant by Mega HoT? Is that just Synastry + Aspected Helios or Divine Seal + Medica II? There is also Rouse + Whispering Dawn, which I believe is actually the highest of the 3 for potency during it's duration, but comes with a 60s cooldown.

With an AST in Diurnal its Synastry, A.Ben, A.Helios, Collective unconsiousness then all the HoTs time dilated.

WHM is divine seal, regen, medica II and assylum (the regen bubble, is that the right name for it?).

Edit: thats what i am guessing they are talking about.

[Kaurie]

With an AST in Diurnal its Synastry, A.Ben, A.Helios, Collective unconsiousness then all the HoTs time dilated.

WHM is divine seal, regen, medica II and assylum (the regen bubble, is that the right name for it?).

Edit: thats what i am guessing they are talking about.

Ah thanks, I am curious how those compare with Rouse + Whispering Dawn. I guess the specific with what you are saying is it sounds very targeted on 1 person (the tank) with regen / a.ben

[Kelya]

I am curious how those compare with Rouse + Whispering Dawn. I guess the specific with what you are saying is it sounds very targeted on 1 person (the tank) with regen / a.ben

WHM
DS (+30% potency) + Regen + Med2 + Asylum
195+65+100 potency / tick
1365+650+800 total potency

Single target : 360 potency / tick
AOE : 165 potency / tick

Total single target : 2815 potency over 30s....... 3815 over 45s (Regen + Med2 reapplied to compare with the 45s of AST HOTs) ....... 2520 over 21s (stopped at 21s to compare with the 21s of SCH HOT)
Total AOE : 1450 potency over 30s....... 1700 over 45s....... 1155 over 21s


AST
Synastry (+20% potency) + AB + AH + CU + Time Dilation (+15s)
168+48+150 potency / tick
1848+720+1500 total potency

Single target : 366 potency / tick
AOE : 198 potency / tick

Total single target : 4068 potency over 45s....... 3660 over 30s (stopped at 30s to compare with the 30s of WHM HOTs)....... 2562 over 21s
Total AOE : 2220 over 45s.......1980 over 30s....... 1386 over 21s

SCH
Rouse (+40% potency) + Whispering

Single target / AOE : 93,33 potency / tick

Total single target / AOE : 653,33 potency over 21s


I've done that quickly so the maths might be wrong haha

Edit : If you take in account the fairy it should be around the same (a bit less or more) as WHM/AST over 21s for single target

[Kaurie]

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It is a little hard for me to follow all your numbers, but one or two things. Eos's potency is less than regular potency (about 66% so 300 Eos potency = 200 player potency). Also, I find Medica II is about 40% of the power of Whispering Dawn when Divine Sealed IIRC, but if I understand your calcs you are saying that Medica II is higher?

I may look into this more when I am home, but I am not largely concerned. I mostly just wanted to point out that Scholars can also bring a significant HoT, which seems to go largely ignored.