Why nerf collective unconscious?

[HPDelron]

From a logical standpoint, I can see the argument about stun breaking a channeled ability - but arguing logic and realism in an MMO where you don't permanently break your body jumping off an insane cliff or other such illogical things is probably a bad point to tout, lol.

The "It's Channeled" line of thinking is less about "realism" and more about system consistency. It's a magic spell that heals wounds and proportionally reduces damage, realism was out the window from the start regardless of it's interrupted by stuns or not.

When I say system consistency I'm talking about the way we interact with game elements as game elements. Just about every thing in the game that roots you in place and prevents other actions such as casting, object interaction,and certain items will be interrupted by a stun as well. This isn't demanded by realism but instead by well-established game play conventions across many games. If there was some spell that let you move around while casting with no mention in the tooltip it let you do so and without a trait or class ability that established it as being different, it'd be weird. It could be balanced and still be very strange and feel kind of off.

When I say the change is "logical" I mean that it fits cleanly within the framework of abilities in the game, and within the context of RPGs as a whole. Certainly the trope of "Stuns and damage stop casting/channelling" can be traced to trying to simulate "Realism" with roots in D&D but we're kind of several degrees removed from that at this point.

[Katlyna]

It should have been PvP only. I'm disappointed in this weird nerf in terms of PvE. It won't change too much but it means sometimes it will stop casting suddenly due to weird mechanics =-/

[Priya]

This wouldn't bother me in the slightest if the buff from CU was always instant instead of anywhere between instant and the 3 second server tick.

[GeekMatt]

When I first realized I could use it while stunned I thought for sure it was a mistake by SE. Now I suspect that they delayed fixing it because AST was already frowned upon by the community and giving it a nerf would only make matters worse. Now that AST is valued a little higher, I guess they probably felt it was ready for the nerf gun.

[Yhisa]

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Erm... Yeah may aswell share my mega combo then >.>

Draw> random card> synasty> aspected benefic, swiftcast, aspected helios, use card or redraw > collective unconcious> use card> time dialation> lightspeed> aether minipulation> celestrial opposition> cleric stance> gravity spam for free

Enjoy ur massive healing and crazy burst damage
With crit/spell speed this combo is INSANE, especially if u pulled a bole/spear first which reduce all ur cooldowns or damage to tank

With this combo my HoT is ticking 4-6k every 3sec, i have infinite MP, and rapidly casting gravity thanks to lightspeed and spell speed i can get a lot more gravity off within 10secs, and yes i know about the 25% damage reduction lightspeed gives but who cares im blowing stuff up and not using any MP to do so

I have done this combo a thousand times, even got some players to turn and play ast because of how strong we are... As AST *use ur kit* is the only thing im saying

[Yhisa]

If u pull arrow throw it on urself, and just LOL and the damage u doing, if it was not for aether manipulation and our passive quelling strikes on sects.... I be a very dead ast

But this is for 4man content, in raids it depends what is going on at the time, CU is the strongest HoT in game and is *free*

Time dialation is super strong if u pull a bole if used with combo its *free* healing to the tank meaning more dps uptime for both healers

AST are the kings when it comes to healing overtime no job in game can pull a 4-6k hot (more if tank use coverlesance or on a warrior in defiance stance) i mean 20secs for full out dps? Yes please and if ur with a SCH.... It turns stupidly OP my highest HoT iv seen with a sch and his buffs is 8-9k every 3 secs none crit >.>

NOW u can scream nerfs lol

[Heilstos]

Hey Aimi Mei,

I am crit/SS Astro too. And you are right, its nice

The Only thing is that this nerf is not great like it is. All nerfs in this patch are going to be in this patch because PvP and not PvE.

I am not cring that the bubble is cancel able. Thats okay, because in PvP an Astro can not stop in collective unconcious.That have to be nerf!

BUT in PvE it schuld be allowed to use use the Buffs from collective unconcious (Regen + 10 % less dmg) and not only the regen. collective unconcious is a 10 % less dmg buff spell, too!

If you look to all Sch. They can play with there Shilds very well.

So it would be great that Astros play in the same liga like the SCH in the same way buffing

[Vejjiegirl]

I think Collective Unconscious can also end with heavy damage as well (the same as spell interruptions) I got hit with a Fell Cleave just now in a PVP match and my Collective just ended, there was no stun no nothing it was just me and the war.
I'm going to be more watchful to see if it happens again in future games.

[Dyvid]

This is what happens when PvP nerfs bleed over into PvE.

[Katlyna]

I really don't like the change... its removing the usefulness of the ability in dungeons. usually when placing collective in a dungeon, its in the middle of a mass of AE. Often times best placement = eating some of the AE. And they were a bit stun/knockback/bounce happy in some of the trash fights... so now I'm finding the ability popping down quickly in 1/2 to 1/3 of the fights. And note I'm litterally just trying to tick it up long enough to give my tank the 10% down debuff usually.

Terrible design choice for PvE. Its made a very cool ability even MORE situational that it already was.