Why nerf collective unconscious?

[Kabzy]

I think ASTs should be glad they still get to keep a bubble that mitigates AND applies a very potent regen. Under no circumstances does an AST need to stand there for 15 seconds in CU, so this argument of not being able to do anything is pretty irrelevant. The whole nature of Sacred Soil is to put it down for one heavy raid wide damaging move, as such an AST can do the same without wasting more than one GCD and they get a regen effect on top of that.

It's not going to be a game changing nerf, and ASTs are more than capable healers after their chain of buffs. There is no reason why they should still be getting special treatment on every move.

[Heilstos]

I think ASTs should be glad they still get to keep a bubble that mitigates AND applies a very potent regen. Under no circumstances does an AST need to stand there for 15 seconds in CU, so this argument of not being able to do anything is pretty irrelevant. The whole nature of Sacred Soil is to put it down for one heavy raid wide damaging move, as such an AST can do the same without wasting more than one GCD and they get a regen effect on top of that.

It's not going to be a game changing nerf, and ASTs are more than capable healers after their chain of buffs. There is no reason why they should still be getting special treatment on every move.

Hey Sage Kabzy,

The collective unconscious has got a longer cd. than the Sch and the ast musst stand still and can not mak anything else. Its okay that collective unconscious is so strong. The collective unconscious nerf was made a easyer way to nerf ast in PvP and not hard to made.

But the negativ aspekt vor PvE was forgotten. Thats not so hard for Diunal astros. But for a Nocturnal Astro its a hard nerf in PvE. And only some here play the Nocturnal Astro and gets nerfs in there PvE playment.

And its not to hard and make the "10% less dmg" like the regen buff and nerf this buff in pvp.

[Ghishlain]

And its not to hard and make the "10% less dmg" like the regen buff and nerf this buff in pvp.

While it might not be hard to implement, from a balance stand point S-E probably wouldn't implement this because of the potential raw power this can hold. Could you imagine giving a tank Collective Unconciousness, giving them a 15s HoT for 150 Potency with 10% damage mitigation? Then you Time Dilation that to make that 30s long. Then you Celestial Opposition that to make it 35s long? Combine that with Diurnal Aspected Benefic (38s) and, heck, let's say an Enhanced Bole for 15% damage reduction for 50s on top of all this. It's a lot of eggs in one basket but that's a lot of healing and mitigation right there from a single person.

Also giving the party of 20s of 10% damage reduction (when combined with Celestial Opposition) while maintain the freedom to deal with any mechanics they want in those 20s would probably not be something S-E would settle with either.

I like the idea of packaging the 10% reduction with the HoT to get around the nerf in a PvE aspect - it's a smart way to do it if they would try to maintain it. But I doubt it'll fly due to balancing reasons.

[EDIT]

Realism is probably the wrong word to use on my part and I understand the rationale for gaming conventions too.

Funny enough, the ultimate counter point to "gaming conventions" and logic would if "S-E (or any MMO developed) wills it, they will make it happen, and nothing we can say or do will sway them". It's kinda funny when I think about it like that.

[Heilstos]

While it might not be hard to implement, from a balance stand point S-E probably wouldn't implement this because of the potential raw power this can hold. Could you imagine giving a tank Collective Unconciousness, giving them a 15s HoT for 150 Potency with 10% damage mitigation? Then you Time Dilation that to make that 30s long. Then you Celestial Opposition that to make it 35s long? Combine that with Diurnal Aspected Benefic (38s) and, heck, let's say an Enhanced Bole for 15% damage reduction for 50s on top of all this. It's a lot of eggs in one basket but that's a lot of healing and mitigation right there from a single person.

Also giving the party of 20s of 10% damage reduction (when combined with Celestial Opposition) while maintain the freedom to deal with any mechanics they want in those 20s would probably not be something S-E would settle with either.

Hey Ghishlain Pyrial,



The question would be is it so usefull to ignor the Combi. from cards + Time Dilation/Celestial Opposition. That option is to cut both ways.

You explain how strong the Collective Unconciousness+ Time Dilation/Celestial Opposition. (In the right way! Great)

If you use Celestial Opposition for Collective Unconciousness. You can lose it to buff you Light äther / Cards. The CD from Collective Unconciousness is not low for 2 min cd!
Only for 5 sek more Def? I am not quite sure if this would be a great deal.

If you use Time Dilation for Collective Unconciousness. You lose the the chance to extend Cards (until Bole). The CD from Time Dilation is not low for 90 sek. cd!
That can be a strong Combo. The problem is that your cards should have higher priority in raidcontant.

I belive its not so hard if you look that the Sch can spread his eye for eye and Schilds. And the Whm has got Assize.

I think the Master of the Buffs (I mean the Ast) should allowed to use this ability.

[FoxyAreku]

I can't think of a single time I've ever been stunned while using CU...so I doubt this 'nerf' will even be noticed by most people.

Honestly, I thought it already got cancelled by stuns.

[Ghishlain]

From a logical standpoint, I can see the argument about stun breaking a channeled ability - but arguing logic and realism in an MMO where you don't permanently break your body jumping off an insane cliff or other such illogical things is probably a bad point to tout, lol.

I imagine this change was definitely a PvP change and probably can't be separated from PvE like other abilities due to system restrictions so they made the change universal. Am I perturbed about it? Just slightly, but it's nothing I can't work around either. This is more of a minor inconvenience more than naught in my book.

[Mutemutt]

From a logical standpoint, I can see the argument about stun breaking a channeled ability - but arguing logic and realism in an MMO where you don't permanently break your body jumping off an insane cliff or other such illogical things is probably a bad point to tout, lol.

Well, I'm not really arguing this from a realism standpoint, but from the standpoint of the games own logic. It just strikes me as weird when something that would normally stop a cast or any action at all, would really not stop an ability that needs to be channeled constantly. Collective Unconsciousness itself doesn't suggest it should render you immune to these things and yet it just kinda ignores it anyway. It's one thing for a game/book/etc. to break the rules of our reality, but breaking the rules of its own reality is another thing entirely.

[Krissey]

Well, I'm not really arguing this from a realism standpoint, but from the standpoint of the games own logic. It just strikes me as weird when something that would normally stop a cast or any action at all, would really not stop an ability that needs to be channeled constantly. Collective Unconsciousness itself doesn't suggest it should render you immune to these things and yet it just kinda ignores it anyway. It's one thing for a game/book/etc. to break the rules of our reality, but breaking the rules of its own reality is another thing entirely.

Well. It IS called Unconsciousness. Perhaps it's called that because you stun yourself by being unable to do anything but that. It's like...giving yourself a concussion mid battle and blacking out to release the power of the stars within to protect all around you...then you wake up and ask what happened and why does your head hurt?

[Krissey]

If I'm remembering right, the game describes collective unconsciousness as connecting the feelings of people together, as in their happiness and pain and such. So I don't think there is much focus on the user being unconscious, but rather the unconscious thought. I just don't really get the impression that the user is actually unconscious while using this move, more of a meditative state if anything really.

I was making a joke