DF Tank Experience

[Yuni_Queen]

I am the enemy of sending people to youtube to get info about dungeon.
It's not that har to do well in a dungeon, especially dungeons aren't savage.
Someone could say a thing or two about mechanics and it will be all right.

[Mirch]

1) DPS who pull before the tank (and healers who heal them before I can flash them off them)

2) After initial shield lob and I'm waiting for mobs to gather @me I see aoe's/heals before mobs are in flash range

3) After initial shield lob enemy the does an aoe but I see dps and healer are already attacking it from outside the aoe while i'm running out of it.

1) they die, it's simple.

2) they die, it's way to simple.

3) not my problem, they die, I'm cool. It's simple.

[Nezkeys79]

1) they die, it's simple.

2) they die, it's way to simple.

3) not my problem, they die, I'm cool. It's simple.

Do you say anything or just stay silent while they die? And how do you react if they call you a shit tank for letting them die, then vote kick you for even speaking?(If that's ever happened to you)

[ashwich]

I'm an advocate of letting others be the assholes, because I'm an adult and I would like to at least act like one. Does it annoy me when a dps pull ahead of myself (and I pull PRETTY fast)? yes. Do I still take things off them? yes, because it's my job. It's a waste of time to sit there, watch someone die, get raised then argue about it for the next half an hour.

now. people need to understand lower level tanking does suck a bit post recent change, war and drk get their enmity stance early, which is good. PLD is kind of awkward. sword oath is fine on a single target boss. what's really bad is before you get your Halone, and the period right before you get shield oath but when dps get their dmg buff traits around lvl 40 (and you're 39). So you end up relying a lot more on flash than you do later on. But it would be nice if more people are aware of this and at least let the tank do the pull.

[Nezkeys79]

Does it annoy me when a dps pull ahead of myself (and I pull PRETTY fast)? yes. Do I still take things off them? yes, because it's my job. It's a waste of time to sit there, watch someone die, get raised then argue about it for the next half an hour.

What if after that pull you took things off them but they called you a shit tank that doesn't know your job in party chat, and then you got vote kicked? I agree it's a waste of time to watch them die and argue for the next 30 minutes but when you are being abused in party chat for their selfishness, especially when you fixed the situation by reclaiming aggro it's hard not to defend yourself

now. people need to understand lower level tanking does suck a bit post recent change, war and drk get their enmity stance early, which is good. PLD is kind of awkward. sword oath is fine on a single target boss. what's really bad is before you get your Halone, and the period right before you get shield oath but when dps get their dmg buff traits around lvl 40 (and you're 39). So you end up relying a lot more on flash than you do later on. But it would be nice if more people are aware of this and at least let the tank do the pull.

+1

I just did Thousand Maws of Toto Rak on DF roulette. You get Halone but neither stance. Literally every pack this dps was pulling hate inbetween Halones on one mob. Now consider I have 3-4 mobs on me if you have another dps attacking another mob and you are in a yo-yo battle of enmity on one mob you are gonna lose it on something at some point. Flash spam is the only thing you can do to deal with the other mobs because your Halone is having to go on one mob. YOu cant rotate your combo if the dps is pulling ahead in between every halone. Flash spam however is still not enough in some scenarios if the dps is making it difficult because I hawkeye the guage and see exactly what it does when applied. I spammed flash to the point of emptying my mp and it still made no difference as one mob tore away. This is ultimately slowing the run down more than any other tactic (like all dps attacking the same mob as tank, or stifling their dps temporarily to make sure the tank stays on top) because you have to wait for mp regen back to full at every camp. Also a dead dps=no dps which further slows down the run. I'd much rather have the dps do slightly less damage at the expense of a smoother, faster run where nobody dies. Unfortunately some are too proud to accept that they cant do their highest damage all the time. Obviously I'm not saying this should be the case in every dungeon put pld in some early dungeons as you've said...is horrible...and the dps and healers need to work harder to help them. Obviously the pld has to working harder than usual too

[Yuni_Queen]

Now children, ^ this is how you make DF experience bad. Don't follow his example! Or ugly Matoya will come to eat you.

You started a topic in seeking of help and opinions and you ended up making certain, that you are that type of a guy, that is making storms and problems in DF.
You really must be surprised to hear, that it is most likely your fault that you have bad DF experience.

[Nezkeys79]

You really must be surprised to hear, that it is most likely your fault that you have bad DF experience.

The only reason you replied is because you are really surprised to hear that a tank isn't to blame for everything. You literally can't accept it might be anyone elses fault. Read my posts properly and seriously stop defending halfwits in DF. I make mistakes here and there just like everyone else will sometimes so I can let most of them go. It's when you have to deal with the repeated same shit from players that decide they want to be a selfish prick in DF, which doesn't happen a lot but enough to warrant a rant about it. Most of the things I posted about what these players are doing .... if you actually think that's the correct way to play the game then SIGH

[Yuni_Queen]

The only reason you replied is because you are really surprised to hear that a tank isn't to blame for everything. You literally can't accept it might be anyone elses fault.

Funny xD literally funny xD
I am tank by main from 2.0 and i have more tanking experience than you so it seems, but yet all we write here, you consider "defending halfwits" and not reading your posts.
If you want people to give you likes and agree with you, when you are totally lost in a forest, go to the Technical Support section.

Not always, but mostly.
Not everyone's, but single person's.

The fact you make mistakes is nothing surprising, but the fact you don't understand, that you will find different people in DF that will give you cancer, is indeed surprising.
Halfwits, douchebag, morons - you called all these people like only them exist in DF parties.
I made yesterday whole weekly lore cap. spaming expert roulette. and i didn't have even single rant about me loosing / not holding aggro, when upon my huge pulls reinforcemnt caught me without mana.
Not even once.

I will tell you a secret. When party wipes becuase of others mistakes, swallow it / ignore it / say it's all cool and try again.

From your current posts, you only prove me, this is you, who start makes problems out of nothing.

We gave you notes on holding hate, but you seem to be more interested in our reactions, when we are called shit tanks or why they dare to call you one.

Also this comment just displays why DF is like it is. The party is a team effort and everyone has to watch how much enmity they are generating. If you aren't paying attention and hitting the mob as a healer to top up dps(or any other action), before the tank does anything then sigh.

No, no, just no. This post gave me cancer.
People are telling you what you do wrong and you stubbornly ignore those posts responding only for those, that opinion you do not share. And you respond only to negate what one's said.

You have paladin on 60.
I can't believe you are writing thigns like that ^. Tank is supposed to hold aggro. That's the damn core of what you are supposed to do. "you had one job!" <- here you go with basic motivation towards understandign tank role itself. DPS are supposed to deal damage. Dragoon or Black Mage WILL NOT stop dpsing, becuase they are almost stealing aggro. If they are even paying attention (and they don't have to, thats absolutely not their problem) they will kindly switch target.

Read the posts here people have written to help you understand how to pull/hold as Paladin and show some basic humility towards those trying to help you, rather than typing "you don't read my post" in almost every single response.

[Aquaslash]

The only reason you replied is because you are really surprised to hear that a tank isn't to blame for everything. You literally can't accept it might be anyone elses fault. Read my posts properly and seriously stop defending halfwits in DF. I make mistakes here and there just like everyone else will sometimes so I can let most of them go. It's when you have to deal with the repeated same shit from players that decide they want to be a selfish prick in DF, which doesn't happen a lot but enough to warrant a rant about it. Most of the things I posted about what these players are doing .... if you actually think that's the correct way to play the game then SIGH

Something something better to close your mouth and let others think you're a fool than to open it and remove all doubt

[LeeraSorlan]

i dont have any problems tanking lower dungeons tbh.

In most cases, before shield oath/halone, flash generates more enmity (Even on single target) than your 1 2 combo does.


Assuming you < shield lob < run into mobs while shield lobbing (Do not wait for enemies to run to you) < flash twice < enmity combo < flash < enmity combo < flash < repeat repeat repeat.


You should have 0 problems with enmity. There is zero(0) encounters in this game in which you are unable to get a flash in at the start before an enemy aoe comes out or is able to hit you.


So you are most definitely doing the beginning pulls slightly wrong, based on your post.


The rest of your complaints are most definitely annoying and valid, however you can adapt to those situations as you get more used to them ,just take a bit of practice