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  1. #141
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    Nekodar's Avatar
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    Nyaano Nohea
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    Midgardsormr
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    Conjurer Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Wizel View Post
    Raid group I am in downed the fight tonight (we were working on Vortexer before nerfs), it is still difficult, people need to be aware of mechanics but it is more forgiving on time and damage, I honestly feel the fight is right where it needs to be now and what it should have been at the start. Little mistakes will cost you greatly, but 1 or 2 deaths now are not a guaranteed wipe on time when you are at the final boss.
    People still seem to think that it's been nerfed down to "pass it in one attempt with all newbies"-level though...
    (10)

  2. #142
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    Tagihi's Avatar
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    Lhei Fox
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    Phoenix
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Nekodar View Post
    People still seem to think that it's been nerfed down to "pass it in one attempt with all newbies"-level though...
    yea but let them think so, its more survivable fight now and it kinda gives people a second chance, people still have to learn mechanics.
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    Last edited by Tagihi; 04-15-2016 at 01:31 PM.

  3. #143
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    Sir_Hermes's Avatar
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    Limsa Lominsa
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    Man Bearpig
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    Faerie
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    Warrior Lv 60
    It took us one week for a5s, a6s, and 2 weeks for a7s lol :/ a6s wasn't even hard which is why I dont understand the dilemma
    (0)

  4. #144
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    Vivi_Bushido's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Hott Cocoa
    World
    Spriggan
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 80
    Love how everyone is complaining that the nerfs is making things too easy. Look at Gordias. If they make content too difficult, people complain and quit.
    Easy content, difficult content. SE just can't win can they?
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  5. #145
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    Vivi_Bushido's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Hott Cocoa
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    Spriggan
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    Bard Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Olympus View Post
    Having read through this and seen support on both sides of the A6S nerf, I have the following to say:

    It's time to introduce more tiers of difficulty. Normal mode and Savage mode aren't enough. The old A6S belongs at the top level. The new A6S belongs at the medium level, along with A5S and A7S.

    As someone who is disappointed by the nerf to a formerly fun, challenging fight, Savage seems to be getting far too easy, especially while it's still relevant so early in the patch. I hope this isn't a trend...
    The alternative is AS3, which caused more people to unsub rather then stick around far more than any other fight or instance in this game. I think this time, SE is choosing to cater to casual players in terms of difficulty, wither if content was originally designed to be difficult to begin with.
    (3)
    Last edited by Vivi_Bushido; 04-15-2016 at 04:43 PM.

  6. #146
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    KarstenS's Avatar
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    Lilli Karani
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    Odin
    Main Class
    Reaper Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Velhart View Post
    If you are doing raiding just for the gear
    Just look into his profile. He is not raiding at all. Instead he is flaming all around in nearly every thread and throwig out much stuff, that is far from being correct.

    He thinks he is the greatest, but in real he isn't.

    Thats also some kind of

    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    Epeen
    But he don't noticed that and maybe will never do.
    (0)

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  7. #147
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    Seraphix2407's Avatar
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    Arawn Wymer
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    Omega
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    Gladiator Lv 80
    The nerf was big but honestly the good groups wont even notice it, yeah perhaps faster kills, now you are less on the snipers on swindler and less hp on the last boss. Never had issues with mines or whatso ever on first boss or healing people fast enough on second. People will still fail here, no matter what. Most people stuck on swindler and I have no clue, finding that one the easiest of them all :P
    (0)

  8. #148
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    KarstenS's Avatar
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    Lilli Karani
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    Odin
    Main Class
    Reaper Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Alkimi View Post
    Their mistake was thinking that giving out 205/210 gear would get more people through A3S. The difficulty of that fight had very little to do with dps checks.
    It was all about the DPS checks.

    Not enough damage during hands of pain? Instant wipe.

    Not enough damage to kill the adds while handling all the mechanics? Instant wipe.

    Even for the enrage timer there was much optimization needed to overcome it.

    Without the DPS checks, this fight would be not much harder than the story mode.
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  9. 04-15-2016 06:12 PM
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    lots of random stuff meh

  10. #149
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    whythehate's Avatar
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    Character
    Wtbgu'cum Chepgillolz
    World
    Phoenix
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 52
    I recently joined my first static still I started playing, we been playing together for only a week and half. Killed a5s 2nd practice session (would of been 1st practice but healer had huge connection issues)

    We have had 2 practice sessions on a6s and are progressing just fine, it's sad SE has nerfed this so early and I will never get to experience the full fight pre nerfed but I understand why this has been done.

    My friends statics are all stuck at this point, one of the raid groups btw originally beat a4s and had it on farm back when everyone was still slamming their heads against a3s. Admittedly they aren't raiding as much as they should but still for a group of this quality to still be struggling there is a problem. Especially considering that a7s is a lot easier (other raid friends opinions)

    The skill jump from a5s > a6s is a giant leap for most people

    Whilst this nerf has made 6 more forgiving it is a challenge.
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    Last edited by whythehate; 04-15-2016 at 08:35 PM.

  11. #150
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    Singularity's Avatar
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    Ariane Aster
    World
    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by KarstenS View Post
    It was all about the DPS checks.

    Not enough damage during hands of pain? Instant wipe.

    Not enough damage to kill the adds while handling all the mechanics? Instant wipe.

    Even for the enrage timer there was much optimization needed to overcome it.

    Without the DPS checks, this fight would be not much harder than the story mode.
    Failed to move the hands far enough apart/close enough together? Instant wipe
    Someone standing in the way of the Embolus or failed to move the boss out of the way? Instant wipe
    Fail to swap Digititis correctly? Probable Wipe
    Fail to sufficiently mitigate Cascade? Probable Wipe
    Fail to interrupt Piston lubricant during Mucilage? Probable Wipe
    People out of position during Protean Wave? Multiple deaths
    Mispositioned Drainage tether or not enough mitigation for it? Multiple deaths

    The DPS checks were certainly there, but it wouldn't be right to say they were the whole fight.
    (3)
    Last edited by Singularity; 04-15-2016 at 08:54 PM.

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