Thread: Patch 3.26 Discussion

So about the A6S nerfs….
I do know that I’ll get very sarcastic comments for it – especially from people who actually do not raid – but please let me explain.
This is of course my personal opinion, as progress-raider, and it might differ from yours.
I’ll explain carefully why these changes are actually unnecessary; and why it endangers the current raid-system.
So this is the view of someone who has beaten this many, many weeks ago and is currently progressing through A8S – someone who also has beaten A4S even before patch3.1.

A) Let’s talk about what is nerfed in A6S and what I think about it.

Blaster:
One)
Okay, real talk here.
I do not understand why it was necessary to decrease the number of the hidden mines? There were only two to begin with.
There should be not a single issue for your OT to memorize them – and before they are taken the group shouldn’t really move around a lot anyway. Concerning their damage let me only add it’s very predictable when the OT will take the mines, and it’s perfectly manageable with the usage of CDs. Even without, to be honest.
So if that is really a crucial reason for your static to wipe, have a talk with your OT and explain them carefully how to improve. If that doesn’t work, replace.
Healers also might be an issue there; but… As I said, damage is predictable. I doubt it can be difficult to throw a heal before the OT steps into the next mine.
I am honestly confident in that ANYONE can do this just fine, so why nerf it?
Two)
Supercharges are kind of ‘random’, but not an actual problem if you use the right strategy.
The trick is to bait them; to place the Mirages in a line and wait till they have turned to someone before attempting to dodge.
So basically I see no reason why this should be a permanent reason to wipe there, even if a DD is usually dead when hit by only one. Ever since my static is using this kind of strategy, we never wiped there anymore, to be honest. Most of time middle is completely free from any charges.
If people still get hit they might not understand that mechanic.

Brawler:
Correct me on this since I play with the german client, but I do think it’s in general an orb-nerf.
And that’s what I do not understand. At all.
The mechanics with the orbs are, bluntly said, very simple and perfectly manageable, even with no gear. Tanks have to run around a lot, maybe more than DDs if they are doing it right, but that’s it.
This phase is still easier than the add-phase of A3S, for example, and it might require a few tries to actually see what happens there but becomes really simple afterwards.
Technically the orbs are the only difficult thing of the Brawler, and nerfing something like that is never a good idea.

Swindler:
Okay, seriously though, why would you reduce the Gunner’s HP?
These little fellows have two functions: first so the boss has to be moved; secondly if they are not killed fast enough it’s a potential (but not must-be) wipe. So technically it’s one of very few dps-checks in A6S.
I simply fail to understand why anyone could have trouble with it STILL -by now even people without drops should be around IL223+ with their raidingclass (if their raidingclass is their actual mainclass, at least) and also possess a IL230 weapon, if not then the one of Seph EX.
My static had never any trouble with these; and our DDs STILL haven’t gotten any gear so far, and we’re in A8s by now. (I am not joking, we only get tank/healer stuff or monk – which we don’t even have lol). The adds were easy from the start, so just why SE.

Vortexer:
Let me summarize the nerfs on this guy here – let’s just take out everything that makes the fight actually difficult.
One) I do not know how strong this HP-nerf is; but I am taking a wild guess that if people saw two rotations when the first groups cleared it, they will only see one before it dies now.
Okay, the HP-decrease might be to make the enrage easier, but there is also no need to.
When we killed this for the first time, with like IL220 and IL220 weapons, we had still a minute till enrage.
By now it’s a complete faceroll, in which we might as well brew us some tea and enjoy the mechanical sight in there. That’s how much time we have left.
Enrage should NOT be a problem for anyone anymore, unless they simply have no idea about mechanics or can’t play their classes even partly right.
Two) Thunder and Water are the only other legit mechanics in this fight which will apply damage to the group. Any fail results into a wipe, ultimately, (I still think that’s the case) – so that’s why you are nerfing it?
Healers cannot heal a lot at this boss, to admit that at least, but if you’re timing your healings well there should be not a single problem.


B) Short comparison between A6S and A7S.
So in a live stream a few days ago the moderators said that A7S’s mechanics were easier than A6S one – and I disagree.
Not because the A7S mechanics aren’t, indeed, very simple – but because there is still enough reason to wipe there.
One) The Dps-requirement is much higher than in A6S; so people who profit from these nerfs now will only hit their head in this floor for a while instead.
Two) Trust me these rolling balls are really annoying, especially in the second cat-phase which will not be skipable for newer statics. People who have troubles dodging (as seen at the Blaster) will more likely die there anyway. A DD is probably instant dead when hit by one, because the boss also spams AEs meanwhile and the healers cannot really heal in said phase.
So saying that A7S is easier than A6S is a bit exaggerating the actual facts – the floor is still easy, I don’t deny that, but it’s definitely not even partly easier than prenerf A6S.

C) The real question: Why would you even nerf A6S?
So, if we look at Gordias Savage, SE was unwilling to nerf this for very long.
The first nerfs took place when Echo was put into it; and this was somewhere past patch 3.1.
A3S was far worse than A6S.
Just to make a quick overview:
-add-Phase required some coordination between all static members who could stun. It was not difficult, but many failed on that. If we now look at the orb-phase of A6S, you cannot really say that A6S is worse than this. The chains were just as annoying as the random skill-spams of the boss in the middle.
-tanks had to move the boss accordingly which was apparently too difficult for some tanks. You don’t have to do that a lot in A6S, surprise!
-the debuffs were too complex too handle for most groups; if I compare the debuffs with the one in A6S, it’s clearly visible that A6S is easier.
- DPS-check in A3S was hard. In A6S it isn’t.
So when you didn’t nerf in A3S for so long, why are you nerfing A6S now? I simply don’t get it.
We’re nowhere near an Echo. This nerf is completely misplaced.



Conclusion:
Honestly, the only ones I can see being happy about this are people who don’t raid and want to get free loot without having to put actual effort into learning a fight.
Argue with me if that’s not true – but I doubt you can give an actual proper explanation without the reasons above.
Those nerfs are a slap into anyone’s face who have beaten it already or are mid-progress of this floor and are close to the kill.
This cannot even be compared to Echo at some later point which will tick in once a raid-content gets outdated - because right now it’s still somewhat new and also the current content. Throwing in any nerfs are completely pointless.
I can understand that people want to see A8S at some point; but isn’t it even more frustrating to get free kills (just like A5S actually is one right now and now also A6S) and then having to play mechanics properly for the first time? That’s not how it works.

As I said, if you enjoy the ‘complaints’ of raiders right now, give me an actual reason of WHY you are enjoying it, WHY it is ridiculous for you.
Because, from my experience, people who make these kind of comments don’t have any arguments. And, as I said, don’t even raid to begin with.

Originally Posted by Kitfox

I still don't get why this is important. Savage is for the challenge, and the fight is clearable, it's nowhere near A3S initial state.

Based on what was said, it's because the devs wanted a steadily increasing level of challenge rather than having a spike in the middle. So they changed things around. I mean, we're talking about getting gloves and boots here. A2S (the previous raid tier's equivalent) wasn't exactly hard. Ultimately, it boils down to the fact that it's their sandbox. If they aren't happy with the clear rates, they'll change stuff till they are. We already knew that changes were a possibility so I dunno why some people are so bothered by this. My static's currently making steady progress on A6S and it doesn't really bother me.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

Hell, I'm not dong any Savage at all and I don't agree with the nerfs too.

My standpoint is, if there are groups out there that cleared it, means its managable. If it is managable, then it is a challenge for anyone who hasn't cleared, which IMO is part of the fun.