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    HPDelron's Avatar
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    Duran Felden
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    I don't care about epeen stroking or accomplishments. I care about gear and being better then everyone else. 10 points of strength and vit isn't really enough to compensate for that.
    What you care about is not salient when dealing with a post where you actively accuse others of only doing something for an "EPeen" stroking. When you try to ascribe motivations to others and denounce them for it the only relevant information is what their motivations actually are. If you like or find meaning in those things is inconsequential to the defence of the point my post was refuting.

    Trying to fall back on "Well I don't like it" is a feeble attempt at misdirection.
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    Velhart Aurion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    I don't care about epeen stroking or accomplishments. I care about gear and being better then everyone else. 10 points of strength and vit isn't really enough to compensate for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    Who cares? In three-four months better gear will be dropping from far easier content. This isn't a game that rewards you for challenge, so the only reason to do it is Epeen stroking.

    If they actually gave you a good reward, heck; I would LOVE to do it. However, doing a long stressful job and getting nothing out of it? No thanks.

    This is why games like Dark Souls are so fun. Yes, you have really really hard content, but once you beat it; you most likely get something way worth the effort for what you did, it feels good. When you go through all that stress, and get nothing? .... The content's armor isn't even GOOD looking.

    The developers saw a very low % clear rate. So they went ahead and adjusted it to see what the numbers were after.
    If you are doing raiding just for the gear and not the thrill of accomplishing a difficult task with your fellow party members, then I feel sorry for you. Farming gear to most people is an afterthought or a means to make progression on the next piece of content easier. Its something you think about after the clear. By your logic, we should not play at all because what we do eventually gets outdated for new content.

    Also, its funny you talk about Dark Souls, since it's purpose falls into the same category as Savage raids. Its about the accomplishment of defeating a really hard boss or obstacle in Dark Souls, not what piece of gear you get with it.

    You seem to be on the extreme end of being materialistic in your online games.
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    Lilli Karani
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velhart View Post
    If you are doing raiding just for the gear
    Just look into his profile. He is not raiding at all. Instead he is flaming all around in nearly every thread and throwig out much stuff, that is far from being correct.

    He thinks he is the greatest, but in real he isn't.

    Thats also some kind of

    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    Epeen
    But he don't noticed that and maybe will never do.
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    People say "it's only the second fight in the tier". If SE gets away with nerfing one fight that people have been able to clear already. What's stopping them from nerfing more fights because they want "more people to clear"?

    It's SAVAGE for a reason, if one group can do it, any group can do it.
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    With Dark Knight's Dark Arts changes you can get faster DA Abyssal Drains and you can reliably stack DA Dark Dance and DA Dark Passenger at about the same time for lots of increased Parry and lots of Evasion. And getting DA Souleater > DA CnS is more lenient.
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    Zanku Hado
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    Who cares? In three-four months better gear will be dropping from far easier content. This isn't a game that rewards you for challenge, so the only reason to do it is Epeen stroking.

    If they actually gave you a good reward, heck; I would LOVE to do it. However, doing a long stressful job and getting nothing out of it? No thanks.

    This is why games like Dark Souls are so fun. Yes, you have really really hard content, but once you beat it; you most likely get something way worth the effort for what you did, it feels good. When you go through all that stress, and get nothing? .... The content's armor isn't even GOOD looking.
    we need a dislike button
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    Claire Delune
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jhett_Magnum View Post
    we need a dislike button
    He just doesn't understand raiding, it's not about the gear/rewards it's about beating the fights...not to say that the gear isn't appreciated

    Quote Originally Posted by jssanderson747 View Post
    Did you want a medal? These changes were likely implemented for the groups who've been stuck in the fight due to the difficulty of the first few bosses in the encounter causing time to be wasted. Some groups emply vastly different strategies that might cause different problems or cause zero problems. Half my server's raid scene is still in there working on mostly vortexer and swindler, and I'm sure if I asked, most of them would probably tell me the reason that's still the case is because of all the crap that can happen before you even reach those nerds.
    Someone a bit salty? Maybe misunderstood the context of my post too?

    I went through the exact same stuff as those groups on your server and we 100% have a worst strategy than those groups, we don't bait the Mirages, we place them whereever then expect everyone else to dodge.
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    Last edited by Miscreant; 04-15-2016 at 12:53 AM.

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    Sam Lihzeh
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    Cactuar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miscreant View Post
    Someone a bit salty? Maybe misunderstood the context of my post too?
    I'm almost assuredly associating your comment with the earlier ones of dudes bragging that they were clearing before nerf and didn't need it or something. That + the whole "shouldn't be raiding if don't have the time" thing gave me the wrong idea I guess. Nonetheless, it's not fair to assume groups being able to clear it faster is a bad thing. Getting more people into 7 and 8 is kinda what they wanted I imagine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jssanderson747 View Post
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    I really don't have a problem with groups being able to clear it faster or easier its only the 2nd floor and I only mentioned my progress when talking about having enough time and raiding. My issue with it is the timing, it's far to soon for a nerf and really unfair to all of the groups who are on the Swindler and Vortexer at the moment as they are past the hard bit. Also I really enjoy A6S, although I doubt I will need to leave Cleric Stance now -_-

    Really this should have been a simple nerf, either loose a mine or nerf the Mirages as they were pure rng and probably what caused the most problems in progression.
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