Gigas and Sephirot - possible connection?

[Griffey]

With my interest in Crystal Tower rekindled thanks to the next anima step, I was reminded of a mystery that I don't think has been explained yet; why the Gigas seem to worship it. As far as I know the origins of the Gigas haven't really been explained yet either.

With the recent revelation that the allagans got their growth spurt magic from studying Sephirot, it got me thinking....


Are the Gigas yet another creation of the Allagans?

Perhaps descendants of embiggened Allagans that held the Crystal Tower in regard as a symbol of their civilisations might, that through the entries they confused with a holy place. Or perhaps they are a chimerical creation that remember the Crystal Tower as the place they were born.

Thoughts?

[myahele]

So far we don;t know much about the Gigas.

I believe the Gigas we see roaming Mor Dhona originated from Abalathia's Spine and only came there partially due to food, but also the appearance of the Crystal Tower. But with them worshipping the tower it's highly likely they were at least subjugated by the Allagans and used as slaves, perhaps they were the one's to built Crystal Tower. Just like the Ixal, they eventually re-interpreted the CT differently in their lore? Afterall, Gigas were also used the Ul'Dahns as slave a few centuries back.

As for their primal? Who knows, many thought that Shiva would have been theirs, but that's clearly not the case now. Ethys has a neat video connecting the Gigas with Belias as their potential Primal

But yeah, as far as I know, there's no connection with Sephirot due to Sephirot's beast tribe being "tree-like" in appearance. It's possible that the remaining 2 could be theirs? Guess we'll see eventually.

[FJerome]

But yeah, as far as I know, there's no connection with Sephirot due to Sephirot's beast tribe being "tree-like" in appearance. It's possible that the remaining 2 could be theirs? Guess we'll see eventually.

I think OP is talking about what's written in Unukalhai's Warring Triad book, about how the Allagans used Sephirot's essence to make things bigger;

Chapter 1: Sephirot:The Allagans performed experiments upon the captured eikon, siphoning his growth-inducing energies into the cultivation of numerous chimerical monstrosities─one unnatural existence propagating countless others.

So the Gigas wouldn't originally have been Sephirot's people, they'd have become so after they were infused with his power. Given they seem to have what looks like a third eye perhaps originally they were whatever race the Garleans are and that's origin of the myth that Nero believes in, that the Garleans are descended from the Allagans.

(Sephirot juice also neatly explain why Uni and Doga were about our size but Xande, Amon and Friends were all about 30 ft tall. For Amon, Embiggening Time was All. The. Damn. Time.)

[Griffey]

Just to clarify I am not saying that the Gigas worshiped Sephirot. More, they are the result of experimentation on Sephirot.

We know for a fact the reason Allagans like Xande and Amon are so mahoosive is because of magical growth juice extracted from Sephirot. So we can assume that the rich and powerful turned themselves into giants make themselves more powerful and impressive. A symbol of their dominance or something. Like ow rich people but expensive cars and such.

And then there's Phlegthorn, another giant Allagan. We know from is triple triad card that he was actually an enemy general that was captured and brainwashed, given the 'make my monster grow' treatment and left defending the labyrinth of the ancients.

So here's my theory...

[Griffey]

The Gigas are descendants of the upper class Allagans who made themselves giants. As the centuries rolled by, memories of Allag civilisation faded and got corrupted. The crystal tower, which their anscestors remembered as a symbol of the might of the Allagan empire became a holy place only heard of in stories, which is why the Gigas are drawn to it. The giants and hecatoncheir are descendants of a slave race created by the Allagans to act as builders and bodyguards for their masters, along the same lines as what happened to Phlegthorn. According to the Gigas guildhest there is a hierarchy with giants serving the Gigas, so this backs up my theory.

Also I can't be the only one that sees the similarities between Xande's model and the giants....

[Rocl]

In the levequest "Who Writes History" we have Okeanos the Red, a Gigas who claims to be descended from Allag, so yeah you're definitely not the only one who's thought this!

The Gigas, and all beast tribes really since Iksalion, could potentially be descendants of Allag chimeric science. The only true unmodified Allag we see are Unei and Doga (and that's debatable too, since y'know clones)-- so any sort of demihuman is suspect. (Miqote, Lalafell, etc.) However, like most everything, I err on the side of caution. We simply don't have enough information (though it's always fun to speculate)

Okeanos is not the only person to claim descent from Allag, we also have a rather famous Legatus who's said to have both the blood and knowledge of ancient Allag in his family's keeping (Nael van Darnus). Well, "had" I guess...

As for the rich and famous embiggening themselves, I'm not sold on. We've only seen a handful of huge Allag, and two of them are almost certainly mad science experiments (Phelegethon and Scylla) made as weapons.

Given the Allagan chimeras propensity for becoming "self-aware" I don't doubt the possibility that the Gigas are similar to the Ixali, being descendants of such creatures. I just sincerely hope that "an Allag did it" isn't the 'true origin' of all beast tribes... Gigas/Giants being used for heavy labor and Ixali for intricate technician work I can swallow but what possible reason could there be for the creation of Sylph or Vanu Vanu or Goblins or Qiqirn?

It's fun to note that the Gigas share an ornament around where you'd expect a Garlean's third eye. Perhaps Nael and Okeanos aren't so different after all.

[Fenral]

Nael van Darnus had enough Allagan know-how to get Bozja Citadel built. I'm still gonna hold onto my belief that the Garleans are the result of post-Calamity Allag's efforts to "correct" the flaw in humanity that lead to their downfall. It's as good as anything, I guess.

The TT card for Xande confirms that his original body was exhumed and enlarged by Amon in his efforts to resurrect him, which kinda messes with the timetable if the Triad were supposedly captured during the invasion of Meracydia in Xande's second reign.

[Frederick22]

Nael van Darnus had enough Allagan know-how to get Bizja Cotadel built. I'm still gonna hold onto my belief that the Garleans are the result of post-Calamity Allag's efforts to "correct" the flaw in humanity that lead to their downfall. It's as good as anything, I guess.

The TT card for Xande confirms that his original body was exhumed and enlarged by Amon in his efforts to resurrect him, which kinda messes with the timetable if the Triad were supposedly captured during the invasion of Meracydia in Xande's second reign.

That is why I think that the allag empire already were conquering foreing countries and not just on the second time of Xande.

I would also agree that gigas would have being an allaga experimentation, used probably for slaves. But not that they are allagan descedants.

[Fenral]

I mean, they had other campaigns and took most of the world, but the Meracydian conquest in particular, in which the Triad and later Bahamut were captured, was kinda Xande 2.0's malformed giant baby, and a key component of his second golden age.

[Rocl]

Nael van Darnus had enough Allagan know-how to get Bizja Cotadel built.

Nitpick! It's Bozja.

I'm still gonna hold onto my belief that the Garleans are the result of post-Calamity Allag's efforts to "correct" the flaw in humanity that lead to their downfall. It's as good as anything, I guess.

The flaw being magic/the ability to manipulate aether or is that just an unfortunate side effect? Maybe the aether ineptitude is a side effect of attempting to isolate oneself from the Lifestream to become effectively immortal!? I'm curious on what flaw you think they're trying to fix.

The TT card for Xande confirms that his original body was exhumed and enlarged by Amon in his efforts to resurrect him, which kinda messes with the timetable if the Triad were supposedly captured during the invasion of Meracydia in Xande's second reign.

How is that? I always figured there were two invasions of Meracydia, and they both happened during Xande's reign. We know Allag tried to conquer Meracydia before his resurrection and failed, and then Amon revived him and they succeeded. Since we know Amon created Dalamud, and the Ascians told him how, it seems feasible that the great Pokemon Catching of Meracydian deiforms was neatly condensed in the second Allag-Meracydian war.

Rather, I'm confused as to how the card mucks up the timeline, I guess.