Stop being so hostile in the game

[sayafrost]

That's good for you if you met nice people, but I'm not. Most E and F I've met on JP Data Center always did terrible things, rude and using wrong gear. I know there's many good E and F but... Where is it? I only find bad apple from my entire duty finder. Only my English LS did nice things. /endrant

I am sorry *offers cake* I hope you soon encounter nice ones... I had bad experience too, at the beginning i was scared of going into dungeon alone - it didn't matter what letter they had for client... I just was harassed cose i was bad at playing

[Namida-Hikari]

Enough with the excuses, it's no coincidence that the HUGE majority of bad/rude players are French.

You serious..? You really want to go that way in this topic..? I don't even understand why this is still alive and no moderator have close it yet.

[Tanathya]

You serious..? You really want to go that way in this topic..? I don't even understand why this is still alive and no moderator have close it yet.

What way? I'm stating the fact everyone's been talking about. Don't make this about me, because it isn't if you've read at least a couple of pages in this same exact thread.

Also, just for the record, I never said that the majority of the French community are that way, just in case you might be reading that erronously.

[Namida-Hikari]

I have many screenshots of english/german players who are insulting others in dungeons too ! So what? Stop trying to fuel the fires agains French players. This is not the point of the topic to bash French players. SO grow up a bit and stop becoming widespread for some bad experiences that you had.

(I asked for moderators to close this mess)

[Tanathya]

I have many screenshots of english/german players who are insulting others in dungeons too ! So what? Stop trying to fuel the fires agains French players. This is not the point of the topic to bash French players. SO grow up a bit and stop becoming widespread for some bad experiences that you had.

(I asked for moderators to close this mess)

I didn't try to fuel anything; that screenshot shows just one of the many times that has happened, and the common factor is that usually they're French. You guys shouldn't fight us, but those French players who are giving you a bad name. I'm not doubting any individuals; as I've said, I know plenty of great French players, but they're the minority, and when it comes to being rude, they take the cake by a long shot.

Keep telling me (us) to grow up, and keep proving my (our) point. I don't really care much, but you're against a wave of people here.

[Ultear_Milkovich]

Ive been playing on an american server from sept. 13 to nov 14, with my "F" checked and underlined, and never met any bad behaviour or hostile attitude towards me. I would say that most players were friendly. I had to leave, because raiding at PST times was not possible anymore.

Now im on an EU server with a majority of French players. Funny thing is that i now have my client in English, as i decided to main DRK with HW and the French translation of the DRK skills sounds horrible to me (tranchage découpage xd).

I have no issue with E/F/D players or whoever.

But I still tend to avoid the FR community of my server because i know something that you non-French are not aware of: a lot of them chose Moogle because it is the preferred server on the "jeuxvideo.com" forums which are the French "4chan" (but even worse), draining a lot of immature , and agressive people to our place.

Otherwise I think that our community is not that bad.

[Aldora]

I started picking up hate, regularly, so I shrugged it off and I didn't even bother explaining anything to them, they clearly didn't care assuming how they were playing and the fact that they were French just by looking at the character list.

I’m sorry, but you can’t deduct someone's nationality based on their character names. That’s just silly. I have characters with Japanese, French and German names, but that doesn’t make me any more Japanese, French or German then the next player. And if it appears that they aren’t that fluent in English, does that automatically make them a “foreigner”?

I’ve read conversations from my fellow countrymen that made me feel ashamed to share the same nationality, because of their poor writing skills or lack of interesting in proper spelling or grammar (and i’m far from perfect myself).

People tend to “Pigeonhole” other players based on them being elite, casual, French, Japanese, male or female. I just want to ask: “Why?” Does it really matter where they are from, what their gender is or what playstyle they use? We’re all simple “people playing the same game”.

So, i agree with wat Sayafrost said below:

Oh com'on I encountered rude people of every type - be it E, F or D - here is not the point of being from that ethnicity! The point is there is plenty rude people in this game, but at the same time there is a lot of nice ones... I encountered the nicest E,F and D people. The point is that F and D get noticed the most because they have different letter.

OP was unlucky and fell into a group of rude people and also with a language barrier...

The issue is not their nationality, it’s their attitude. I’ve had my share my bad apples in games and the majority of them were not French. I can tell you that.

Enough with the excuses, it's no coincidence that the HUGE majority of bad/rude players are French. I got nothing against the French, and no one's talking about their ethnicity (you know, I'm caucasian as well), but their culture. They're prone to do those things and be like that online, end of the story. Either they start by cleaning their own mess or more people will isolate them because of themselves. Of course, I've met some great French players myself, but, you know, I tend to avoid them for a reason.

Edit: Bolded the word "online" to clarify that I'm explicitly speaking in gaming terms.

And i’d like to repeat that this is not something that only the French people are known for. It’s people in general who have a lack of common decency and simply a bad attitude who cause problems like this. It’s just that the French stick out like a sore thumb because of the language barrier. If they were using fluent english, then the thought wouldn’t have even crossed your mind that they could be French.

You would’ve just said “That guy’s an asshole!”.

Like the day before yesterday, i was in a Neverreap with a Paladin tank who was having trouble maintaining hate since he wasn’t using his skills right. Like you we shrugged and continued, but when one of our DPS used the LB when the boss had 4% HP left he replied with “wtf why did you use lb when the boss was almost dead. youre not the sharpest tool in the drawer are you?” “explain to me why you felt that you had to use the lb”

As a healer i couldn’t care less when people use the LB, as long as we make it through the duty smoothly. So, i told the Paladin “It doesn’t really matter. It’s only the first boss, so we have plenty of time to gain more.”

After a “meh”, he continued. But, during the 2nd boss, we had too many totems stacked to close to each other, so we ended up not being able to move all of them out of the ring in time and 2 of them “popped”. The tank didn’t get the adds of me, because the boss only had 3% HP left and i died just as the last Totem died. So, when the boss was killed, i returned.

The Paladin didn’t agree with me and said: “wtf healer! Why did you do that? I couldve raised you”. So, i replied: “Well, you can’t raise me in battle and returning will also remove the weakness debuff.”

“oh… I’m still new to mmos, so i guess i learned something new. meh.”

Long story short, this guy was apparently new, but he was already showing some attitude issues which will be a problem later on.

Every nation has people in it with major attitude issues and you can’t fix the attitude of someone else, like Sayafrost mentioned here:

I know what you mean, and I agree also about that unfortunately there is lot of French that have that attitude, but lately I've been encountering the same number of Germans doing the same... and the ones with E language (which can be italian, spanish, or from else). BUT I agree that these kind of players are putting bad light on the good F players and unfortunately those get stigmatized because of this.
Tho I learned to give everyone a chance when I enter the dungeon.... you never know and last time i got harassed it wasn't a french who did it.

Don’t be so quick to judge them as being from a specific nationality, race, gender, etc. They were just being jerks about it. And on that note, i do think that you could’ve handled the situation better yourself.

[Namida-Hikari]

you're against a wave of people here.

Against a wave..? What wave? I'm not. Not even because I'm french (but you can come and talk about it in the french section of the forum if you want to). I've been polite and I asked to stop your little game of "french players are the worst". We are ALL the same wave, the wave of players who are tired of jerks in this game no matter the country they're from. If you think different, that's your problem, not mine !

[ElHeggunte]

Oh com'on I encountered rude people of every type - be it E, F or D - here is not the point of being from that ethnicity! [...]

OP was unlucky and fell into a group of rude people and also with a language barrier...

Well most of all of what you said was the entire point of the thread. The OP was merely venting about some bad experiences he had. It just quickly got derailed by a few overly sensitive posters who managed to misconstrue why the OP mentioned the rude players being French and some other posters keep right on jerking the wheel instead of letting us get back on track.

I’m sorry, but you can’t deduct someone's nationality based on their character names. [...]

I'm not defending Tanathya's attitude, but I don't think they meant they could tell that the players were French just by their names. The party member list shows you what languages your party members have ticked for Duty Finder matchmaking and it's likely they all only had F checked to indicate French. That's not definitive proof of someone's nationality of course, but it's unlikely that someone who wasn't French or didn't even speak it would only check the F and leave everything else blank.

[Serilda]

One thing I personally notice in almost all of these threads is that the conversations always go downhill really quickly - which naturally leads to reports, kicks and general bad feelings all around. Perhaps I'm just old fashioned, but when the very first comments have 'lol' (or 'meh' in that other example) appended or have someone start a conversation with a passive aggressive comment, of course people are going to escalate the discussion and turn it into a fight eventually. This is amplified a thousandfold when people are using a second language. The people who aren't native English speakers might sound harsher than intended, or they might mistake a joke for sarcasm (this goes both ways).

Part of this is simply cross-cultural differences - what sounds fine to a US player can sound insanely rude to a British player, and vice versa, even though both of them are fluent in English. I can definitely attest to this. Part is a potential age difference; teens who have been playing competitive games like LOL for years might have thicker skins than older FF devotees simply wanting to play a friendly MMO while the kids are asleep.

I basically disagree with everything else Tanathya said in this thread but in the example of her screenshot, the problem wasn't the tanking or the healing at all, it was the fact that the tank was verbally abusive right from the beginning. She then responded sarcastically as anyone would be tempted to, and this escalated things because the jerkish tank took it as an invitation to keep up the rudeness. The original poster's first complaint about their healer was sarcastic and confrontational - understandable under the circumstances, but unlikely to ever lead to an amicable resolution. When the healer took responsibility that should have been the end of it (it was admittedly made more complicated in that particular case by them apologising in French instead of using auto-translate). When you don't know the limitations of the communication skills of the other group members I think it's better to try a measured approach to begin with even if it's hard to have to be the adult.

In Japanese groups, when a non-Japanese-speaker is being an idiot the first attempt to reach out to them is always an overtly non-sarcastic helpful message, like "WHM, did you know that if you use Regen after the pull it will make things smoother? I'll use my cooldowns so don't worry too much about me at the start. Let's do our best!" and then if the target continues being stupid it will gradually escalate after giving them a few chances to screw up and learn from it. Of course kicks can still happen, and I'm sure plenty of Japanese players have been banging their heads against their desk in frustration while typing out their calm-sounding conversations using Google translate and scraps of half-remembered English. But I'm used to the more gentle approach and have never seen a party collapse into the furious name-slinging and personal insults I see every day on these forums. It's... nice.