Stop being so hostile in the game

[Ultear_Milkovich]

Being French i can translate if any use.

"Putain comment il est naze": "damn, he sucks hard".

"Il active aucune défense" (they wrote "defance", their spelling sucks btw): "he doesnt use any defensive CD".

"Cest ma faute": "its my bad" (healer).

"Je sais pas jai jamais fait tank": "i dont know, i never tried tanking myself".

"Mais non etc...": "its not your fault. He has to activate his defensive CDs to help you healing him. It is what tanks are designed for".

The rest = "it doesnt matter etc".

They are not that rude. Here you basically have 3 players complaining about a lack of CDs and a healer apologizing.

I do remember your posts on the tank thread and if i remember well you are pretty new to tanking.
No offense of course. But we lack the story from your side.

Perhaps these guys should get some credit here.

Also given their horrible typos ("sais" for "cest" = "know" for "be" only because the two verbs sound the same ) they are probably young

[Skivvy]

Just throwing this out there in defense of all those "rude French players" - keep in mind that if someone's first language is not English, they will most likely structure their sentences in a different way than you. My FC has quite a few French-speaking players, and there have been several times where a comment will sound overly-harsh or serious to my English-only ears, but they mean absolutely nothing bad it. It's just how it comes across when they are translating their comments into English.


This does not excuse the true prats in game. They will continue to exist no matter the language they speak.

[Kaurie]

In all fairness Skivvy, this happens with English speaking people as well. Often, especially through text, full meaning, intent and tone are not conveyed.

[Skivvy]

In all fairness Skivvy, this happens with English speaking people as well. Often, especially through text, full meaning, intent and tone are not conveyed.

Oh yeah, most definitely Text in general can be quite easy to take wrong - I've just noticed it a bit more with our French FC members.

[Niwashi]

I was under the impression that ticking a language under the DF didn't mean that you actually were fluent in the language, but rather that you accepted playing with people of that language.

You don't need to be completely fluent, but people will expect to be able to communicate with you, so you should have at least some basic understanding of the language.

Auto-translate includes things like "I can understand a little" and "Please use simple words" and I'd regard those as reasonable for a language you selected. Your teammates should be willing to make enough effort to speak simply when someone in the group needs that (at least once they're informed that someone needs it). If you can understand them so long as they speak simply, and you can communicate yourself through a combination of auto-translate and what bits you can write in that language, then you're good enough at that language to justify including it in your language selections.

It's when people check languages that they don't understand at all (or little enough that they're unwilling to make an attempt at it) and then expect the rest of the group to use (or understand) a different language, whichever one they themselves speak natively, that's where it gets rude. It's rude whether it's an English speaker refusing to communicate in French after selecting both, a French speaker refusing to communicate in English after selecting both, or any other combination with German or Japanese into the mix.

Now, I have a decided advantage in that my native language, English, is the most widespread language on my server and data center. So I can get away with only selecting that language alone and not have it impact my queue times much. I could also select German and perhaps Japanese, because I can understand them to some extent. Though it was a long time ago that I studied it, I think I still remember enough German to write in it well enough to make myself understood. For Japanese, I'd also have to figure out how to switch the PS4's keyboard to JP mode, and still wouldn't be able to say very much, but if I took the time to familiarize myself with it first auto-translate could probably cover my lack of skill there. I would never queue for a run with French selected, though, because I don't speak that language at all. It's probably the second most widespread language on the data center, but if I were with a group of French speakers I'd have no clue as to what was going on in party chat, and that wouldn't be fair to the rest of the team.

[Noshpan]

I dunno, I've played many MMOs, and FFXIV has been one of my worst experiences community wise.

I don't think such strict server restrictions to only allowing cross server communication in performance heavy content helps things. I have personal guesses about other reasons, but I won't mention those here.

Aion has the worst community for an MMO that I have personally encountered. I've even had their forum moderators tell me to go kill myself because I suggested improvements to the game's downloader. And this was in the first three months of launch. Trust me, 14's community is far tamer in comparison. Could still use some improvement, though.

[Evaddaragon]

...What? Do we really have two separate places for language settings? That seems needlessly convoluted.

...TWO? You'd only wish. I think there's actually THREE:

1- Your info in your search profile, which shows up in the party member list as well.
2- What you tick in the Duty Finder.
3- What you tick in the PARTY Finder.

And my comprehension of the three are as follow:
Search profile: Shows languages you understand if ticked. Shows current client language if undersigned.
Duty Finder: People who you'd agree to be matched with.
Party Finder: People you accept in your party that you are recruiting members for.

Hence the confusion, I'd say. People can and will continue to select most language to speed up queue times... and in all fairness, who would blame them?

[Kaurie]

I mean, if the healer is dancing instead of healing what are you supposed to do? Just go pull again?

That behavior in and of itself is already openly hostile and I don't see how OP is at fault.

I would say that the OP escalated the situation unnecessarily. A healer dancing instead of healing is frustrating, but it's not really the same as singling out someone and attacking their skill level. That said, I think we are lacking too much information to gauge the situation.

...Someone will report him for asking the healer to heal instead of dancing?

It's sad isn't it. The stuff people waste GM's time over.

...What? Do we really have two separate places for language settings? That seems needlessly convoluted.

That seems to be a common theme in this game though.

[Namida-Hikari]

It's really sad to see how rude some of you really are against us, French players...

I never, NEVER played with any EN/US player who tried to speak french in dungeons...

The thing is, when you play with 3 Spanish players, 3 German players or whaterver, most of the time, they speak their language even if you don't understand it.
As many said, Some French players are jerks but that's the case of many players of many countries.
For those who think our English is bad, we live in EU so we don't have to learn english at school. We can learn to speak German, Spanish, etc. That's why many of us choose the language of their family origins (way much easier...).

Anyway I'm not here to do some mea culpa instead of those guys you were playing with.

Also given their horrible typos ("sais" for "cest" = "know" for "be" only because the two verbs sound the same ) they are probably young

Yeah, as it's easy for "young french players who try to speak english" to understand those "tbh", "brb", "cya" and much more ! Remember it next time

Well, I hope you will all understand what I wrote (using Google trad is not my cup of tea). If not, forgive the poor French player who try to speak english that I am...

[Caitlinzulu]

My raid group has had quite a few bad experiences with french players in sephiroth. The biggest problem is their inability to communicate.

My biggest problem with the french people are their insistence on qeueing "wrong". I only have english language selected and yet earlier today i god paired up with 3 frenchies. And god they where bad, stuf was dieing slowly and when one of them DC's it took almost 10 minutes for him to come back. Tried to vote kick the offline player because i didnt think he was coming back and only after it failed did i notice they must have been a premade 3 man french team. Didnt want to leave because I had a raid scheduled soon and didnt want the lockout. After he finally came back i got a vote dismis myself.
The whole time not a word was said by them. Thats the french in general for you.

Lucky not all of them are like that, there is a french player in my fc and he is actually quite good/friendly.