Stop being so hostile in the game

[Skivvy]

In all fairness Skivvy, this happens with English speaking people as well. Often, especially through text, full meaning, intent and tone are not conveyed.

Oh yeah, most definitely Text in general can be quite easy to take wrong - I've just noticed it a bit more with our French FC members.

[Niwashi]

I was under the impression that ticking a language under the DF didn't mean that you actually were fluent in the language, but rather that you accepted playing with people of that language.

You don't need to be completely fluent, but people will expect to be able to communicate with you, so you should have at least some basic understanding of the language.

Auto-translate includes things like "I can understand a little" and "Please use simple words" and I'd regard those as reasonable for a language you selected. Your teammates should be willing to make enough effort to speak simply when someone in the group needs that (at least once they're informed that someone needs it). If you can understand them so long as they speak simply, and you can communicate yourself through a combination of auto-translate and what bits you can write in that language, then you're good enough at that language to justify including it in your language selections.

It's when people check languages that they don't understand at all (or little enough that they're unwilling to make an attempt at it) and then expect the rest of the group to use (or understand) a different language, whichever one they themselves speak natively, that's where it gets rude. It's rude whether it's an English speaker refusing to communicate in French after selecting both, a French speaker refusing to communicate in English after selecting both, or any other combination with German or Japanese into the mix.

Now, I have a decided advantage in that my native language, English, is the most widespread language on my server and data center. So I can get away with only selecting that language alone and not have it impact my queue times much. I could also select German and perhaps Japanese, because I can understand them to some extent. Though it was a long time ago that I studied it, I think I still remember enough German to write in it well enough to make myself understood. For Japanese, I'd also have to figure out how to switch the PS4's keyboard to JP mode, and still wouldn't be able to say very much, but if I took the time to familiarize myself with it first auto-translate could probably cover my lack of skill there. I would never queue for a run with French selected, though, because I don't speak that language at all. It's probably the second most widespread language on the data center, but if I were with a group of French speakers I'd have no clue as to what was going on in party chat, and that wouldn't be fair to the rest of the team.

[Namida-Hikari]

It's really sad to see how rude some of you really are against us, French players...

I never, NEVER played with any EN/US player who tried to speak french in dungeons...

The thing is, when you play with 3 Spanish players, 3 German players or whaterver, most of the time, they speak their language even if you don't understand it.
As many said, Some French players are jerks but that's the case of many players of many countries.
For those who think our English is bad, we live in EU so we don't have to learn english at school. We can learn to speak German, Spanish, etc. That's why many of us choose the language of their family origins (way much easier...).

Anyway I'm not here to do some mea culpa instead of those guys you were playing with.

Also given their horrible typos ("sais" for "cest" = "know" for "be" only because the two verbs sound the same ) they are probably young

Yeah, as it's easy for "young french players who try to speak english" to understand those "tbh", "brb", "cya" and much more ! Remember it next time

Well, I hope you will all understand what I wrote (using Google trad is not my cup of tea). If not, forgive the poor French player who try to speak english that I am...

[Caitlinzulu]

My raid group has had quite a few bad experiences with french players in sephiroth. The biggest problem is their inability to communicate.

My biggest problem with the french people are their insistence on qeueing "wrong". I only have english language selected and yet earlier today i god paired up with 3 frenchies. And god they where bad, stuf was dieing slowly and when one of them DC's it took almost 10 minutes for him to come back. Tried to vote kick the offline player because i didnt think he was coming back and only after it failed did i notice they must have been a premade 3 man french team. Didnt want to leave because I had a raid scheduled soon and didnt want the lockout. After he finally came back i got a vote dismis myself.
The whole time not a word was said by them. Thats the french in general for you.

Lucky not all of them are like that, there is a french player in my fc and he is actually quite good/friendly.

[Serilda]

Namida-Hikari, Ultear_Milkovich is French. They're just explaining the communication problems for those who aren't Francophones in the thread, not saying that French people are bad at English.

Thats the french in general for you.

Seriously, English-speakers behave exactly the same on servers where they aren't the majority language. The irony in some of these posts from the perspective of someone on a non-NA world is incredible; if you changed 'French' to 'American' throughout your post it would perfectly match some of my worst parties on a Japanese data centre. But there's no point in grouping all American (or French) players together like that because every culture has its share of bad, uncommunicative players; if the people in question were doing well you probably wouldn't even realise they weren't native speakers in the first place, so poor behaviour stands out.

[WinterLuna]

I'd just like to add here that I've met some really nice French players and the stereotype is pretty silly. I once entered a duty in progress with three other French players. I had French ticked (my own fault, I know). They asked me something in French and I told them I couldn't speak fluent French. They then started speaking what English they could and told me it was no problem and thanked me for helping them finish the duty because they would have had to abandon otherwise. They were also good players as well as good people.

Edit: this is me merely sharing my experience with language barriers, and showing that it's possible to have a good experience in duty finder regardless.

[Chiramu]

This thread has been derailed and now talking about prejudices.

I didn't see anyone bashing the French, the people they were grouped with just happened to be French(and catered to the rude stereotype).

[WinterLuna]

This thread has been derailed and now talking about prejudices.

I didn't see anyone bashing the French, the people they were grouped with just happened to be French(and catered to the rude stereotype).

People were bashing the French the moment this thread was posted, and the thread was cleaned up. My post personally was just my experience with language barriers, which isn't derailing from the OP in any way. Also others posts are in relation to having certain languages ticked but not being able to speak that language.

[Sakuraluna]

This thread has been derailed and now talking about prejudices.

I didn't see anyone bashing the French, the people they were grouped with just happened to be French(and catered to the rude stereotype).

If the French speakers who've responded to this thread with translations are right, those players were no more rude than they're expected to be, given the situation. We don't know the full story, but the OP seems to have overreacted and placed that bias on them whether intentionally or not.

[Tanathya]

Three French people, same server, they were together on their first class, all of them were lv21-23.

Tank would never use Flash, or their enmity combo for that matter, basically spamming Riot Blade. I started picking up hate, regularly, so I shrugged it off and I didn't even bother explaining anything to them, they clearly didn't care assuming how they were playing and the fact that they were French just by looking at the character list.

Out of the blue, as you can see because I made sure I caught the server message so you can clearly notice how I didn't make things up, the tank started insulting me just like that. Nobody died, I was just the person tanking and he got mad. The picture says it all, nothing else was said after that as I was kicked (thankfully) right after I sent my report in.

Some people may think others got something against the French community, but the truth is, the French themselves are their own enemies, since they're building their own bad reputation.

I'm glad I got a nice Aurum Vale party after this and went by quick.