Stop being so hostile in the game

[FinaSel]

If you want to play with less hostile folks, I would highly recommend learning basic Japanese and playing on a Japanese server.
Even if you don't speak it well, it seems like most people will try to switch to English to explain something to you, instead of becoming angry.
I had someone tell me about 制限削除. I understand what it means (Removing restrictions), but I didn't know what the English equivalent was in the game (Undersized Party). Pretty different, right?

Because I didn't know about that option, he tried really hard in poor English to explain it me. I was really grateful, but in the end I had to Google it because I didn't know an undersized party option even existed.

I have never seen a Japanese player being aggressively hostile to another player in any party (yet). (But I have seen an annoyed healer stop healing once, without saying anything).

The most hostile thing I've ever seen a Japanese player say, was when they called the members of an opposing Grand Company idiots during PvP (even though they can't see it).

Now, English players I've been with are a totally different story! I've been in a few groups with English players who are downright mean, cruel bullies who swear and flip out at the slightest mistake of another player.

[Frederick22]

[Skorp_X]

For those saying to not tick english if you don't speak english, I have to say that you can wait up to an hour to do a simple dungeon if you only ticked french. They do it to be able to actually play the game.

A friend of mine started playing at my recommendation and was constantly complaining about hour long DPS queues and I didn't understand because it has rarely been longer than 15 minutes for me. Then I made him tick english and it solved his problem.

Also, that friend's english is not really good. I see him try to chat in the FC chat and it's painful. So I can understand him being reluctant to speak in english with people he doesn't know.

[Serilda]

Also, that friend's english is not really good. I see him try to chat in the FC chat and it's painful. So I can understand him being reluctant to speak in english with people he doesn't know.

If he's willing to try and communicate in English I think it's fine even if his skills aren't so good. On my server we have an issue with non-Japanese-speakers who refuse to listen or communicate with their DF groups at all even though they flagged Japanese (since we're profiling, they're always English speakers; the French speakers I've met have all flagged themselves properly and been very sweet). These non-communicators are universally terrible. But just making the effort with some auto translate and a few clumsy words can make a huge difference, and most groups will try their best to form an understanding across the language barrier. I personally dislike people who flag languages they won't even try to speak as it means everyone playing properly in their second language will experience more prejudice as a result - that's my opinion as a minority in my datacentre rather than the dominant group who only want to speak in Japanese. I also hate completely silent runs as they're boring. Being able to chat with my party members and encourage one another makes everything flow better.

Incidentally, I believe there are two different sets of language preferences which is where the confusion is arising in some posts. The language flags in your search profile are configured in your settings, and denote the languages you are comfortable speaking. The language flags in DF are only used for matchmaking in DF, and they denote the languages you wish to play with for that particular activity. This is, of course, needlessly confusing, but I definitely only flag J for DF yet I know my search profile has me correctly flagged with all of my languages. I've been in parties where someone is listed as E-only but the JP players are asking one another how they got matched when they only flagged J because they hate not being able to talk to their group. The reason is that the E player flagged J too despite being unable/unwilling to communicate in that language. Niwashi's suggestion would definitely make it less confusing, though it might lead to (probably deserved) witch hunts when people outright lie and draw attention to it by refusing to communicate.

While we're sharing tales of passive aggressive Japanese hostility, I've never seen it where it wasn't justified but the funniest incidents are always in FL. Someone accidentally said the Japanese equivalent of 'good game' once halfway through a match by fumbling their chat box and the harassment kick message was almost instantaneous since they were perceived to be lowering morale and whining, lol (I voted for them to stay as they were cohealing with me and doing a great job). Another time I had to report an English speaker for opening a FL match with a sexist slur because he presumed nobody could understand him on my datacentre (sucks to be him). Most negative experiences usually involve lots of attempting to reason with the bad player in multiple langauges and discussion with the other Japanese-speaking group members before any action is taken, though. The glimpses of drama on English-majority servers are something else.

[Evaddaragon]

Incidentally, I believe there are two different sets of language preferences which is where the confusion is arising in some posts. The language flags in your search profile are configured in your settings, and denote the languages you are comfortable speaking. The language flags in DF are only used for matchmaking in DF, and they denote the languages you wish to play with for that particular activity.

And that's EXACTLY what I thought they were for. I ticked French and English (with the latter my client language as it is more convenient to play in English on a NA data center) on my search profile, but tick everything when I use the DF. LOL

Also, I'm pretty sure that when you look at the party menu on your members, it shows what you ticked in your search profile, not what you ticked in the DF.

[Xlantaa]

What I don't undestand in any game is the necesity of being rude. What you win being rude? That won't make players better or something, but most of the rude players I knew they really think they are better and are entitled to despise others. Japanese players are more respectful cause culture, but is not a thing on western side whre every stupid thing can be use to harass others. Even on forums I read people menosreciating and even asking devs for restrictive features.

I will agree that FFXIV community is better than other MMO, but still is far a away from being nice.

[Riardon]

What I don't undestand in any game is the necesity of being rude. What you win being rude?

It makes some people feel superior, strong and important. They fell so low that they have to insult others to feel better. Same goes to the people who trying to make sure to let others know that they are using a dps meter with every chance. Insulting and constantly complaining. I do duties only with my friend so we can kick such people when they push it too far.
The good news is that I met way fewer jerks in this game than other online games I played. The situation here is far better. And a friendly advise to people who play an MMORPG for their first time is never take personally what others say online. I mean never. Ignore them and keep playing.

[Ultear_Milkovich]

Being French i can translate if any use.

"Putain comment il est naze": "damn, he sucks hard".

"Il active aucune défense" (they wrote "defance", their spelling sucks btw): "he doesnt use any defensive CD".

"Cest ma faute": "its my bad" (healer).

"Je sais pas jai jamais fait tank": "i dont know, i never tried tanking myself".

"Mais non etc...": "its not your fault. He has to activate his defensive CDs to help you healing him. It is what tanks are designed for".

The rest = "it doesnt matter etc".

They are not that rude. Here you basically have 3 players complaining about a lack of CDs and a healer apologizing.

I do remember your posts on the tank thread and if i remember well you are pretty new to tanking.
No offense of course. But we lack the story from your side.

Perhaps these guys should get some credit here.

Also given their horrible typos ("sais" for "cest" = "know" for "be" only because the two verbs sound the same ) they are probably young

[Skivvy]

Just throwing this out there in defense of all those "rude French players" - keep in mind that if someone's first language is not English, they will most likely structure their sentences in a different way than you. My FC has quite a few French-speaking players, and there have been several times where a comment will sound overly-harsh or serious to my English-only ears, but they mean absolutely nothing bad it. It's just how it comes across when they are translating their comments into English.


This does not excuse the true prats in game. They will continue to exist no matter the language they speak.

[Kaurie]

In all fairness Skivvy, this happens with English speaking people as well. Often, especially through text, full meaning, intent and tone are not conveyed.